AB's new contract

[RuthlessBurgher]

Will AB put up numbers? Hell yeah...he'd put up numbers with flippy as his QB.

Will he work hard? Hell yeah...that's never been a problem with him.

Will he pout and be a distraction? Hell yeah...that's always been a problem with him.

Will he win? I don't think so.

[Oh wow]

How many games did the Raiders win last year? 4?

As long as they win more than 4 I think it’s viewed as success.

I would think an 8 win season would be a step in the right direction and proof it’s a good move for them.

I seriously doubt they go worst to first but it’s the NFL and anything is possible due to the way the NFL is set up.

Also, I’m curious how many PI calls AB is able to draw from officials. Those can change the outcome of a game.

[RuthlessBurgher]

How many games did the Raiders win last year? 4?

As long as they win more than 4 I think it’s viewed as success.

I would think an 8 win season would be a step in the right direction and proof it’s a good move for them.

I seriously doubt they go worst to first but it’s the NFL and anything is possible due to the way the NFL is set up.

Mahomes & the Chiefs and Rivers & the Chargers are still on a completely different tier than the Raiders.

Oakland will be battling with Denver to try to stay out of the basement in the AFC West.

[Oh wow]

Mahomes & the Chiefs and Rivers & the Chargers are still on a completely different tier than the Raiders.

Oakland will be battling with Denver to try to stay out of the basement in the AFC West.

KC yes.. but the Chargers are notorious for slow starts and hot finishes. I know they have a new coach so maybe they are more consistent but you never know what Chargers team is showing up in Sept and Oct.

[NorthCoast]

I think it's telling that out of 31 teams in the NFL only BUF and OAK came to the table and even then their interest was only tepid. A sure HOF WR with decent mileage left, and there was no crush to get in on a deal.
Teams have drawn a line on how much ****e they will put up with.

[RuthlessBurgher]

TMZ Sports reports Antonio Brown has settled a lawsuit from a man claiming the receiver nearly hit his child when tossing furniture from a balcony.
Ophir Sternberg claimed the furniture landed just feet away from his 22-month-old son, who was traumatized by the incident. Brown claimed he was not the one who threw the furniture. The settlement ends one of the many sagas in Brown's erratic last year and a half.

SOURCE: TMZ Sports
Apr 15, 2019, 8:54 AM

NFL mum on whether lawsuit settlement exposes Antonio Brown to scrutiny

Posted by Mike Florio on April 16, 2019, 1:38 PM EDT

Raiders receiver Antonio Brown has settled a lawsuit arising from allegations that he threw furniture from a balcony at a Miami apartment building, endangering a toddler and his grandfather. Does that settlement expose Brown to scrutiny under the Personal Conduct Policy?

The league has not responded to multiple email messages on that point.

Last October, the NFL acknowledged that it is monitoring multiple lawsuits that were pending at the time against Brown, including the litigation arising from the alleged furniture throwing. Even though Brown was never arrested or charged with any crime, the Personal Conduct Policy arguably is broad enough to encompass this specific situation.

The Personal Conduct Policy generally covers behavior that is “illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent victims at risk,” and it specifically applies to “[c]onduct that poses a genuine danger to the safety and well-being of another person.”

Although the settlement surely includes a provision pursuant to which Brown denies any wrongdoing (most if not all civil settlements include that language), the mere fact that Brown agreed to resolve the case becomes an acknowledgment that the claims had at least a shred of merit, which seems to justify an investigation by the league, and possibly the imposition of discipline.

Whether the league should be engaging in such investigations and impose discipline under such circumstances is a different question from whether, under the plain terms of the Personal Conduct Policy, discipline is warranted. That said, the NFL found a way last year to look the other way when Giants quarterback Eli Manning settled a lawsuit for civil fraud — which is different from criminal fraud only in that a prosecutor hasn’t decided to pursue criminal charges. The league routinely investigates and disciplines in the absence of criminal charges, and it’s fair to ask whether the league will adhere to its past practices in this case.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/16/nfl-mum-on-whether-lawsuit-settlement-exposes-antonio-brown-to-scrutiny/

[hawaiiansteel]

Antonio Brown still wants the Steelers but do the Steelers want him?

By: Curt Popejoy | April 15, 2019

ESPN Pittsburgh Steelers reporter Jeremy Fowler has a full timeline of at least a version of the events that led to the Steelers and wide receiver Antonio Brown parting ways. Keeping in mind this is just one side of this whole fiasco there were some really interesting nuggets from Brown’s agent Drew Rosenhaus.

This line is easily my favorite from the whole piece.

“He wants to maintain a relationship with the Steelers as one of the best to ever put on the uniform,” Rosenhaus said. Sometimes you have to take what these guys say and translate what it means.

What Brown is saying is he has no plans to create any real legacy with the Oakland Raiders and wants to be able to cash in post-retirement with this fanbase.

But it does raise an interesting point. Once football is over for Brown, will the Steelers’ fanbase embrace him and welcome him back after retirement like they have so many other players? Even a guy like wide receiver Santonio Holmes is a fan favorite even though he left but he also has a big catch in a pretty big game.

You have to assume time will heal all wounds and Steeler Nation will be ready for Brown when he’s ready to return.

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/15/antonio-brown-still-wants-the-steelers-but-do-the-steelers-want-him/

[RuthlessBurgher]

You have to assume time will heal all wounds and Steeler Nation will be ready for Brown when he’s ready to return.

Assume? That makes an ass out of u and me.

If we were able to trade AB for fair market value, I imagine that he would have been welcomed back eventually after time had passed.

But when he purposefully sabotaged his trade value via a mind-boggling level of extreme douchebaggery, there is absolutely no way to come back from that.

[hawaiiansteel]

Assume? That makes an ass out of u and me.

If we were able to trade AB for fair market value, I imagine that he would have been welcomed back eventually after time had passed.

But when he purposefully sabotaged his trade value via a mind-boggling level of extreme douchebaggery, there is absolutely no way to come back from that.

I agree, AB would be booed mercilessly if he returned anytime soon.

[Oh wow]

Antonio Brown still wants the Steelers but do the Steelers want him?

By: Curt Popejoy | April 15, 2019

ESPN Pittsburgh Steelers reporter Jeremy Fowler has a full timeline of at least a version of the events that led to the Steelers and wide receiver Antonio Brown parting ways. Keeping in mind this is just one side of this whole fiasco there were some really interesting nuggets from Brown’s agent Drew Rosenhaus.

This line is easily my favorite from the whole piece.

“He wants to maintain a relationship with the Steelers as one of the best to ever put on the uniform,” Rosenhaus said. Sometimes you have to take what these guys say and translate what it means.

What Brown is saying is he has no plans to create any real legacy with the Oakland Raiders and wants to be able to cash in post-retirement with this fanbase.

But it does raise an interesting point. Once football is over for Brown, will the Steelers’ fanbase embrace him and welcome him back after retirement like they have so many other players? Even a guy like wide receiver Santonio Holmes is a fan favorite even though he left but he also has a big catch in a pretty big game.

You have to assume time will heal all wounds and Steeler Nation will be ready for Brown when he’s ready to return.

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/20...lers-want-him/

After he retires he can come back just like most former Steelers for a camp day or 2.


But.....

it will be a long time before the fans accept him.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Personally, I'll have no problem accepting Le'Veon Bell back after he retires. That was a business decision. It happens.

However, Brown took a dump on his Steeler reputation and then set it on fire for good measure. Complete scorched Earth.

[Northern_Blitz]

Personally, I'll have no problem accepting Le'Veon Bell back after he retires. That was a business decision. It happens.

However, Brown took a dump on his Steeler reputation and then set it on fire for good measure. Complete scorched Earth.

I agree that it's way easier to accept Bell back than Brown.

But, Brown will be accepted back too I think.

So will Harrison. Although it's probably easier with Harrison because he won a SB.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Personally, I'll have no problem accepting Le'Veon Bell back after he retires. That was a business decision. It happens.

However, Brown took a dump on his Steeler reputation and then set it on fire for good measure. Complete scorched Earth.

Agreed. I hate that the two are constantly lumped together.

Bell's contract had expired. He was no longer contractually obligated to the team. The Steelers made him an offer that they were willing to make, and Bell (as was his right) chose not to accept. I didn't like the annoying tweets and teases, but in the big picture it was more a pain due to media coverage than Bell doing wrong.

Brown, in the meantime, was under contract to the team and he did everything possible to disparage the team and force his way out. Then stories emerge about him being a huge headache for years, while Bell is being lauded as a great teammate while with the Steelers.

I can see a future reconciliation between Bell and the fanbase one day, can't see it as easily for Brown - but stranger things have happened.

[NorthCoast]

His level of bridge -burning far exceeded anyone I can think of in modern sports.
I know I wouldn't pony up for a Brown retirement jersey.

[Eich]

I agree that it's way easier to accept Bell back than Brown.

But, Brown will be accepted back too I think.

I don't think so. I think Brown would be booed ferociously. And I wonder if the Rooney's would even consider having him back after the way Mr. big chest abused and embarrassed them?

Personally, I don't ever want to see Brown associated in any way with the Steelers. I'm completely done with him. He's a bad example of a player and of a human.