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  • NorthCoast
    Legend
    • Sep 2008
    • 26636

    Yet Another Theory on the AB Trade



    As the Steelers reportedly close in on a trade that would send receiver Antonio Brown to a city other than Pittsburgh, an obvious question remains: Why are the Steelers letting Brown dictate the terms of his employment?

    Drafted in 2010, Brown received a long-term deal in 2012, adjustments in 2015 and 2016 that moved future money to the present, and a big-money extension in 2017. He has pocketed more than $33 million over the last two years, and his contract covers the next three seasons.

    Now, Brown wants out and the Steelers seem to be more than willing to oblige. But why? Why give a player who is under contract for the next three years the ability to force his way out of town?

    Here’s an idea as to why the Steelers are giving Brown what he wants. Maybe they’re doing it because it’s also what they want. And maybe it’s what they want because one specific member of the team has decided that he no longer wants Brown around.

    It’s become well documented that Brown has a problem with quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. There’s a good chance Roethlisberger also has a problem with Brown. And there’s also a chance that Roethlisberger has made it known to management that either Brown goes or Ben goes.

    There’s no specific evidence on which to base this theory, other than history and common sense. For example, Roethlisberger threatened to retire until the Steelers fired offensive coordinator Todd Haley. After the team finally got rid of Haley, Roethlisberger suddenly was talking about sticking around for three or more years.

    Recently, Brown has periodically trolled Ben, both verbally and by using Twitter to dredge up Ben’s off-field issues from a decade ago.

    It’s also clear that Ben has plenty of clout, as proven by comments from G.M. Kevin Colbert that created a controversy regarding the power Roethlisberger has to call out anyone and everyone, privately or publicly.

    It’s the only explanation that would make the team’s willingness to comply with Brown’s wishes make sense. If this theory is accurate, the Steelers are complying with Roethlisberger’s wishes, making the team’s compliance with Brown’s wishes coincidental.

    Again, this is merely an idea, a hypothesis. A possibility. But it’s a possibility that could be the only one that would excuse the team’s willingness to trade Brown in lieu of giving him the kind of play-for-us-or-play-for-no-one ultimatum that teams typically issue when a player decides that he doesn’t want to honor the terms of his contract.
  • Buzz
    Legend
    • Dec 2017
    • 8379

    #2
    I don't buy it. Ben may very well have hard feelings following some of the crap Brown has thrown at him the past couple of months, but I'd bet Ben would attempt to reconcile (he's reportedly called a number of times and AB won't answer or return his call) because he would rather not lose the weapon that AB is on the field.

    I think it's more likely that Tomlin and the FO looked at all the bridges Brown has burned in the past few weeks and finally said, "It's time to flush this turd."

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    • Captain Lemming
      Legend
      • Jun 2008
      • 16041

      #3
      Originally posted by Buzz
      I don't buy it. Ben may very well have hard feelings following some of the crap Brown has thrown at him the past couple of months, but I'd bet Ben would attempt to reconcile (he's reportedly called a number of times and AB won't answer or return his call) because he would rather not lose the weapon that AB is on the field.

      I think it's more likely that Tomlin and the FO looked at all the bridges Brown has burned in the past few weeks and finally said, "It's time to flush this turd."
      Agreed. While Ben May indeed rightly have a problem with Brown, Tomlin as coach has far more incentive to want Brown gone.
      Tomlin (not Ben} is supposed to be the authority here who Brown is blatantly disrespecting.
      EVEN BROWNS COMMENTS ABOUT BEN, are st their core an attack on Tomlin.
      If we were to keep Brown he would be uncoachable, as he’d feel ZERO accountability to his coach.
      sigpic



      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

      TCFCLTC-
      The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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      • Captain Lemming
        Legend
        • Jun 2008
        • 16041

        #4
        I will however further suggest that neither Tomlin (enabler), nor Ben (agitator) who I both still like, are free from contributing to the problem.
        But Browns response is inexcusable. He has to go.
        sigpic



        In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

        TCFCLTC-
        The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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        • squidkid
          Legend
          • Feb 2012
          • 5847

          #5
          rooney probably realizes tomlin lost the locker room and cant control his players.
          tomlin, more than likely, approached rooney and begged to have him moved.
          colberts comment about how tomlin does a great job at managing players egos, locker room attitude, culture, etc was strange. it was an unwarranted comment. nobody asked or questioned colbert about tomlins involvement/blame.
          rooneys public denial of any drama or 'circus' was laughable and telling.

          once again, i cant wait for the trade to go down so we can see how truthful or delusional the organization is
          steelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clown

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          • RuthlessBurgher
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 33208

            #6
            Originally posted by squidkid
            rooney probably realizes tomlin lost the locker room and cant control his players.
            tomlin, more than likely, approached rooney and begged to have him moved.
            colberts comment about how tomlin does a great job at managing players egos, locker room attitude, culture, etc was strange. it was an unwarranted comment. nobody asked or questioned colbert about tomlins involvement/blame.
            rooneys public denial of any drama or 'circus' was laughable and telling.

            once again, i cant wait for the trade to go down so we can see how truthful or delusional the organization is
            My guess is you will conclude they are delusional regardless of the actual outcome.

            I'm not overly interested in how truthful our owner, GM, or coach is to the media.

            Although, as a fan, I am personally interested in knowing the behind the scenes scoop...for competitive purposes with other teams, it would be in the team's best interest if they all were total liars in interviews.
            Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

            Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

            We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

            We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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            • squidkid
              Legend
              • Feb 2012
              • 5847

              #7
              Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
              My guess is you will conclude they are delusional regardless of the actual outcome.

              I'm not overly interested in how truthful our owner, GM, or coach is to the media.

              Although, as a fan, I am personally interested in knowing the behind the scenes scoop...for competitive purposes with other teams, it would be in the team's best interest if they all were total liars in interviews.

              i think it would be in their best interst to deceive when it comes to draft picks, FA and game planning.
              to out right lie, while making statements about the team and coaches, make them look incompetent and foolish. to insult the intelligence of people that are smart enough to see thru the lies on topics that dont have anything to do strategy doesnt make sense.

              as far as me concluding anything will be easy. i just have to use colberts own words.
              steelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clown

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              • BURGH86STEEL
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 6921

                #8
                Originally posted by squidkid
                rooney probably realizes tomlin lost the locker room and cant control his players.
                tomlin, more than likely, approached rooney and begged to have him moved.
                colberts comment about how tomlin does a great job at managing players egos, locker room attitude, culture, etc was strange. it was an unwarranted comment. nobody asked or questioned colbert about tomlins involvement/blame.
                rooneys public denial of any drama or 'circus' was laughable and telling.

                once again, i cant wait for the trade to go down so we can see how truthful or delusional the organization is
                One player doesn't equate to locker room. Coaches don't control players/ grown men, million dollar athletes ect. It's all about establishing a good working relationship. Brown is the issue. He has turned into more of a headcase.

                I doubt Tomlin begged for anything. Tomlin doesn't seem like the type to beg.

                The Steelers are no more a circus act than any other team in sports. Especially when considering that sports in general are circus acts. The Steelers are as truthful and delusional as any other organization in sports.

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                • Steel Maniac
                  Banned
                  • Apr 2017
                  • 19472

                  #9
                  Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                  Coaches don't control players/ grown men, million dollar athletes ect.
                  I'm sorry but I disagree with this. Bellichek controls those grown men. And when they think they are too grown, they get benched or kicked out (Wes Welker). Coaches DO control these SUPPOSEDLY grown men because quit a few are not grown in the head.

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                  • Ernie
                    Legend
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 8470

                    #10
                    I guess it depends on what the definition of "Control" is.

                    If control means players conforming to an established set of rules and procedures... codes of conduct... then I believe the HC plays a part.

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                    • squidkid
                      Legend
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 5847

                      #11
                      Originally posted by squidkid
                      i think it would be in their best interst to deceive when it comes to draft picks, FA and game planning.
                      to out right lie, while making statements about the team and coaches, make them look incompetent and foolish. to insult the intelligence of people that are smart enough to see thru the lies on topics that dont have anything to do strategy doesnt make sense.

                      as far as me concluding anything will be easy. i just have to use colberts own words.

                      LOL...............any one of the tomlin-cobert-rooney fan boys want to explain to me how this trade wasnt at a discount, benefited the team, etc etc
                      steelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clown

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                      • RobinCole
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 1358

                        #12
                        As with any trade (or draft pick for that matter), it takes a year or two before one can even begin to evaluate it. Thus, your “hot take” (immediate reaction) is worthless.

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                        • steelz09
                          Administrator
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 4675

                          #13
                          Originally posted by RobinCole
                          As with any trade (or draft pick for that matter), it takes a year or two before one can even begin to evaluate it. Thus, your “hot take” (immediate reaction) is worthless.
                          It doesn't take years to determine that losing a generational talent and eating 21 mil for a 3rd and 5th is a bad deal.

                          Yes, Brown drove down his value but if the GM and coach nipped this in the butt awhile ago, this would have been a non issue.
                          Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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                          • NorthCoast
                            Legend
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 26636

                            #14
                            Originally posted by squidkid
                            LOL...............any one of the tomlin-cobert-rooney fan boys want to explain to me how this trade wasnt at a discount, benefited the team, etc etc
                            Simple economics dude. Supply and demand. Tough for the Steelers since the demand was 1. Mayock is not an idiot. He knew the Steelers had little options other than to keep the guy. You could argue the Steelers were lucky to get what they got.

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                            • Disco1981
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Apr 2017
                              • 1635

                              #15
                              Originally posted by NorthCoast
                              Simple economics dude. Supply and demand. Tough for the Steelers since the demand was 1. Mayock is not an idiot. He knew the Steelers had little options other than to keep the guy. You could argue the Steelers were lucky to get what they got.
                              I agree...He drove his value down so low...We actually had a deal in place with Buffalo, which Chestio turned down ( which is bs, still don't know how you can do that, and still think.him.and his agent colluded ). Which was " rumored " to be better...And he demanded to have a new contract, making him almost untradeable

                              Everybody else dropped out, So wth were we supposed to do...And don't give me that, just sit him, fine him, suspend him...Just stop!

                              We had to cut out this Cancer and get anything we could for him, and we did...I would have liked a 2nd and 4th- who wouldn't, But this was the best offer...

                              We got rid of him , and now have 10 draft picks...We are not drafting 10 players...We will move up at least once, and predicting we will have a great draft,and FA...Sky is not falling, Have to let it play out and see...

                              Go Steelers!

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