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  • squidkid
    Legend
    • Feb 2012
    • 5847

    boswell = scapegoat

    i will admit that i thought boswell sucked this year. i do however think he was wrongly blamed by rooney, tomlin and lots of steeler fans for not making the playoffs.
    i started to do a little research and accidentally noticed some in game kicking stats.
    how many game do you think boswell cost us?
    surprisingly , of the 6 losses, if boswell makes all of his kicks we only win 1 of those games(oak)
    of our 1 tie, if boswell makes his kick in overtime, we win that also
    some will say that those 2 wins puts us at 11-5 and in the playoffs. no argument there BUT

    IMO, as bad as boswell was, the oakland game was lost more to poor preparation and tomlin keeping ben on the sideline than boswells kicking and the tie to the browns was due more to 6 turnovers and lack of preparation than boswells kicking.

    when tomlin talks about 'style points dont matter,' well dont blame boswell for missing kicks in the games we win then.
    it was cowardly move by them to shift all the blame to boz
    steelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clown
  • steeler_george
    Hall of Famer
    • Dec 2008
    • 3417

    #2
    I am not sure about that. If you are looking at loses by less than 3 points it might be misleading. By missing those kicks, it probably changed the momentum of the game. Instead of being +3 pts, and if the other team scored right after change of downs, there is a swing in points that we could of actually difference of -6pts or -10pts.
    Last edited by steeler_george; 03-05-2019, 04:22 AM.

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    • hawaiiansteel
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 35648

      #3
      Originally posted by squidkid
      how many game do you think boswell cost us?
      surprisingly , of the 6 losses, if boswell makes all of his kicks we only win 1 of those games(oak)
      of our 1 tie, if boswell makes his kick in overtime, we win that also
      some will say that those 2 wins puts us at 11-5 and in the playoffs. no argument there
      read what you wrote a few more times, it doesn't matter what else happened in those two games.

      if Boswell makes those two kicks we are 11-5 and in the playoffs.

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      • Mr.wizard
        Legend
        • May 2014
        • 6686

        #4
        Boswell wasn't a scapegoat but he did go from one of the best kickers in the league to one of the worst and he cost us games. Week after week in the NFL you are playing close games so a guy who is leaving points on the field consistently hurts the team, you said it yourself if he makes his kicks we are 11-5 and in the playoffs. Also we do blame Boswell for missing kicks when we win because he gets paid to make to kicks.
        Last edited by Mr.wizard; 03-05-2019, 02:42 AM.

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        • Steelwolf
          Pro Bowler
          • Jul 2014
          • 1294

          #5
          Boswell turned to crap maybe his locker was next to Ab lol

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          • squidkid
            Legend
            • Feb 2012
            • 5847

            #6
            Originally posted by steeler_george
            I am not sure about that. If you are looking at loses by less than 3 points it might be misleading. By missing those kicks, it probably changed the momentum of the game. Instead of being +3 pts, and if the other team scored right after change of downs, there is a swing in points that we could of actually difference of -6pts or -10pts.

            well, any player on that team could have made a play during that game that would have changed the momentum. a coach could have called a different play that would have changed to momentum
            steelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clown

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            • squidkid
              Legend
              • Feb 2012
              • 5847

              #7
              Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
              read what you wrote a few more times, it doesn't matter what else happened in those two games.

              if Boswell makes those two kicks we are 11-5 and in the playoffs.
              well, if we dont have 6 turnovers it doesnt matter if boz missed a kick
              if tomlin puts ben back in the game it wouldnt have come down to boz
              steelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clown

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              • squidkid
                Legend
                • Feb 2012
                • 5847

                #8
                Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                Boswell wasn't a scapegoat but he did go from one of the best kickers in the league to one of the worst and he cost us games. Week after week in the NFL you are playing close games so a guy who is leaving points on the field consistently hurts the team, you said it yourself if he makes his kicks we are 11-5 and in the playoffs. Also we do blame Boswell for missing kicks when we win because he gets paid to make to kicks.
                except he was used the scapegaot.
                tomlin specifically called him out and it just happened to be the game where tomlin tried to be cute and keep ben out of the oak game
                you dont bring in competition at that point of thr season if you aren t blaming someone
                hell, they are still making comments that boz will have competition this off season
                i dont hear them naming any other players specifically that will have competition
                rooney called out the kicking game and used that basically as the sole reason we didnt make the playoffs

                im not sure anyone was swearing at the tv more than me when boz missed those kicks buit to blame the season mostly on him is kneejerk
                steelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clown

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                • Buzz
                  Legend
                  • Dec 2017
                  • 8379

                  #9
                  Originally posted by squidkid
                  except he was used the scapegaot.
                  tomlin specifically called him out and it just happened to be the game where tomlin tried to be cute and keep ben out of the oak game
                  you dont bring in competition at that point of thr season if you aren t blaming someone
                  hell, they are still making comments that boz will have competition this off season
                  i dont hear them naming any other players specifically that will have competition
                  rooney called out the kicking game and used that basically as the sole reason we didnt make the playoffs

                  im not sure anyone was swearing at the tv more than me when boz missed those kicks buit to blame the season mostly on him is kneejerk

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                  • Northern_Blitz
                    Legend
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 24373

                    #10
                    Originally posted by squidkid
                    well, if we dont have 6 turnovers it doesnt matter if boz missed a kick
                    if tomlin puts ben back in the game it wouldnt have come down to boz
                    I agree that turnover ratio was one of the main reasons we weren't in the playoffs.

                    Kicking was the other one.

                    Our O and D rankings were comparable to the final 4 teams.

                    As you showed us, we would have been comfortably in the playoffs with better kicking and the same turnover ratio.

                    I also think we would have been comfortably in the playoffs with a better turnover ratio and the same kicking.

                    We were terrible at both things.

                    I think we also led the league in dropped INTs. This is purely player execution (like missed FGs).

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                    • Steel Maniac
                      Banned
                      • Apr 2017
                      • 19472

                      #11
                      Originally posted by squidkid
                      except he was used the scapegaot.
                      tomlin specifically called him out and it just happened to be the game where tomlin tried to be cute and keep ben out of the oak game
                      you dont bring in competition at that point of thr season if you aren t blaming someone
                      hell, they are still making comments that boz will have competition this off season
                      i dont hear them naming any other players specifically that will have competition
                      rooney called out the kicking game and used that basically as the sole reason we didnt make the playoffs

                      im not sure anyone was swearing at the tv more than me when boz missed those kicks buit to blame the season mostly on him is kneejerk

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                      • Ghost
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 6338

                        #12
                        Steelers up by 14 in 4th against Browns. D couldn’t hold.
                        Up 7 in the 3rd against Denver. Allowed 14 points to lose. Hurray defense.
                        Up 23 – 7 to start 2nd Q against Chargers. Biggest home lead ever given up in second half. That’s on the D.
                        Up with less than 3 minutes in the 4th Q against Raiders by 4 (the f'n Raiders….), just can’t allow a TD. D FAILS allowing 75 yard drive.
                        Again up by 4 against the Saints in the 4th Q and the D can’t hold the other team out of the end-zone.

                        Boswell had an awful season last year but this team lost b/c the coaching staff bet on Williams/Bostic being the inside answer (they were not), Dupree is a non-playmaker who adds next to nothing (thanks 1st round selection) and Burns is a flat out liability on the field BUST (another 1st round gem), with no real starting CBs on the team outside Haden. So yeah, I agree the Boswell is getting scapegoated by a coaching staff that made a bunch of bad decisions on the D and it showed when the team couldn’t hold leads on a regular basis.
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                        • fordfixer
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 10922

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Ghost
                          Steelers up by 14 in 4th against Browns. D couldn’t hold.
                          Up 7 in the 3rd against Denver. Allowed 14 points to lose. Hurray defense.
                          Up 23 – 7 to start 2nd Q against Chargers. Biggest home lead ever given up in second half. That’s on the D.
                          Up with less than 3 minutes in the 4th Q against Raiders by 4 (the f'n Raiders….), just can’t allow a TD. D FAILS allowing 75 yard drive.
                          Again up by 4 against the Saints in the 4th Q and the D can’t hold the other team out of the end-zone.

                          Boswell had an awful season last year but this team lost b/c the coaching staff bet on Williams/Bostic being the inside answer (they were not), Dupree is a non-playmaker who adds next to nothing (thanks 1st round selection) and Burns is a flat out liability on the field BUST (another 1st round gem), with no real starting CBs on the team outside Haden. So yeah, I agree the Boswell is getting scapegoated by a coaching staff that made a bunch of bad decisions on the D and it showed when the team couldn’t hold leads on a regular basis.
                          I don’t disagree with anything you said but lets also remember the Offense stopped scoring or turned the ball over in most of those games also. Just saying there’s plenty of blame to go around.

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                          • Steel Maniac
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2017
                            • 19472

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ghost
                            Steelers up by 14 in 4th against Browns. D couldn’t hold.
                            Up 7 in the 3rd against Denver. Allowed 14 points to lose. Hurray defense.
                            Up 23 – 7 to start 2nd Q against Chargers. Biggest home lead ever given up in second half. That’s on the D.
                            Up with less than 3 minutes in the 4th Q against Raiders by 4 (the f'n Raiders….), just can’t allow a TD. D FAILS allowing 75 yard drive.
                            Again up by 4 against the Saints in the 4th Q and the D can’t hold the other team out of the end-zone.

                            Boswell had an awful season last year but this team lost b/c the coaching staff bet on Williams/Bostic being the inside answer (they were not), Dupree is a non-playmaker who adds next to nothing (thanks 1st round selection) and Burns is a flat out liability on the field BUST (another 1st round gem), with no real starting CBs on the team outside Haden. So yeah, I agree the Boswell is getting scapegoated by a coaching staff that made a bunch of bad decisions on the D and it showed when the team couldn’t hold leads on a regular basis.

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                            • Steel Maniac
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2017
                              • 19472

                              #15
                              Originally posted by fordfixer
                              I don’t disagree with anything you said but lets also remember the Offense stopped scoring or turned the ball over in most of those games also. Just saying there’s plenty of blame to go around.
                              Against the Broncos, first and goal at the 2 yard line, and Conner got zero attempts at the goal line. That's the kicker's fault too huh? All the things that had to lead up to the kicker having to save us are the real problems of this team. Not the kicker. If the kicker keeps having to save you, then he's not the problem.

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