Realistically....what can we get for AB?

[Ernie]

People are too enamored with offense. All offense, no defense teams don't win anything. Watch what happens to the Chiefs. When the smoke clears, they won't even be in the Super Bowl.

they'd better not be looking past indy

[Ernie]

I agree but discussing it is fun

why do you guys think he wont be traded?

[Northern_Blitz]

Better on offense? Maybe not. But we've won a ring with lesser receiving talent than Juju + Rogers + Washington + McDonald

The TEAM can get better without TO....eh... I mean AB.

I think it's pretty clear that our D isn't anywhere near as good as those teams.

[Steel Maniac]

they'd better not be looking past indy

I think Indy is going to win that game..

At this point in time, Luck is just as good as Mahommes..
Indy has the better defense...
Indy has the better special teams..

[Northern_Blitz]

People are too enamored with offense. All offense, no defense teams don't win anything. Watch what happens to the Chiefs. When the smoke clears, they won't even be in the Super Bowl.

I agree with this.

But sadly, I think our options for the rest of Ben's career might end up being:

All O and no D OR
Avg O and no D.

If that's the choice, I know which one I'd pick.

If it were on the table, I'd much rather have a great D and an average O. But, I think there's almost no chance we can have a great D next year or the year after. And I don't think Ben's around longer than that.

[Steel Maniac]

Jets are now saying they want to move on from Leonard Williams; I’d try and trade AB for Leonard Williams straight up.

Then use our 20th pick in the first round on a can’t miss Lb; maybe even go LB in round two also. Use free agency to address one of the cornerback positions.

And convert the defense to a more traditional 4-3.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

People are too enamored with offense. All offense, no defense teams don't win anything. Watch what happens to the Chiefs. When the smoke clears, they won't even be in the Super Bowl.

that's because the NFL has made it easier for WRs to get open. And with that you need to be able to score to keep up with the WRs on the other team that'll get open.... dems the rules in today's NFL.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

AB + Bostic for Tremaine Edmunds and a mid-round pick from Buffalo.

[Steel Maniac]

that's because the NFL has made it easier for WRs to get open. And with that you need to be able to score to keep up with the WRs on the other team that'll get open.... dems the rules in today's NFL.

I hear you and on the surface, that sounds great. But the reality is that scoring around the league, across the board was up for all teams this year. It's about who can stop someone from scoring which is going to seperate you from the pack.

And baring unforeseen turnovers, everyone is going to see that when the Colts beat the Chiefs this weekend because the Colts HAVE a defense and KC does not.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

I hear you and on the surface, that sounds great. But the reality is that scoring around the league, across the board was up for all teams this year. It's about who can stop someone from scoring which is going to seperate you from the pack.

And baring unforeseen turnovers, everyone is going to see that when the Colts beat the Chiefs this weekend because the Colts HAVE a defense and KC does not.

Not disagreeing that defenses (and critical stops) are important. But, the bottom 5 scoring teams are: Arizona, Jacksonville, Buffalo, Washington, Oakland. 4 of those 5 draft in the top 10, with Washington the exception at 15. None of them made the playoffs. Or had a winning record.

Most of them were bad on defense as well, so i'll save you the trouble of researching that. BUT... Jacksonville is a good case study of the problem with point you're making. They had the #4 scoring defense in the league.

If you hold your opponent to 17, but, only score 14, you still lose.

Teams like the Chiefs tend to do better than teams like the Jags, generally speaking.

But, to meet in the middle, what you strive to be is the Chargers (# 7 in both offense and defense ppg).

[Oviedo]

Jets are now saying they want to move on from Leonard Williams; I’d try and trade AB for Leonard Williams straight up.

Then use our 20th pick in the first round on a can’t miss Lb; maybe even go LB in round two also. Use free agency to address one of the cornerback positions.

And convert the defense to a more traditional 4-3.

I like your thoughts. Go 4-3 and quit chasing the LB we zlwzys seem to be after year after year

[RuthlessBurgher]

Jets are now saying they want to move on from Leonard Williams.

If that's the case, that's weird. Spend first round picks on Mohammad Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, and Leonard Williams within a 5 year period, and then just move on from all of them? Guess that's why they are the Jets.

[Steel Maniac]

If that's the case, that's weird. Spend first round picks on Mohammad Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, and Leonard Williams within a 5 year period, and then just move on from all of them? Guess that's why they are the Jets.

Yes..and I want to take full advantage of that.

[pittpete]

Jets are now saying they want to move on from Leonard Williams; I’d try and trade AB for Leonard Williams straight up.

Then use our 20th pick in the first round on a can’t miss Lb; maybe even go LB in round two also. Use free agency to address one of the cornerback positions.

And convert the defense to a more traditional 4-3.

If we went to a 4-3 though Butler would only have 3 LBers to cover receivers then....

[Steel Maniac]

Not disagreeing that defenses (and critical stops) are important. But, the bottom 5 scoring teams are: Arizona, Jacksonville, Buffalo, Washington, Oakland. 4 of those 5 draft in the top 10, with Washington the exception at 15. None of them made the playoffs. Or had a winning record.

Most of them were bad on defense as well, so i'll save you the trouble of researching that. BUT... Jacksonville is a good case study of the problem with point you're making. They had the #4 scoring defense in the league.

If you hold your opponent to 17, but, only score 14, you still lose.

Teams like the Chiefs tend to do better than teams like the Jags, generally speaking.

But, to meet in the middle, what you strive to be is the Chargers (# 7 in both offense and defense ppg).

I agree; Chargers do have a better mix; but so does the Colts. I actually like the Colts even better. Because they even have the best O-line to go along with the defense.