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  • flippy
    Legend
    • Dec 2008
    • 17088

    Cap Cost to Trade Brown

    We still owe Brown ~$21m over the next 2 years. What if we restructured his contract to $22m over 21 years including a $1m signing bonus as a thank you for restructuring.

    Then couldn't his trade cost $1m vs the cap and his new team can re-do his deal once they sign him?

    This is an extreme example, but isn't there a way to re-do the contract to eliminate the Cap hit?

    I'm not sure I understand this 100%.
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  • SidSmythe
    Hall of Famer
    • Sep 2008
    • 4708

    #2
    Omar Khan better watch out for Flippy - He might be coming to take his job.
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    • Buzz
      Legend
      • Dec 2017
      • 8290

      #3
      brothervad posted this link: https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...s/201901020122

      it explains how an AB trade is doable.

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      • Northern_Blitz
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 23901

        #4
        Originally posted by flippy
        We still owe Brown ~$21m over the next 2 years. What if we restructured his contract to $22m over 21 years including a $1m signing bonus as a thank you for restructuring.

        Then couldn't his trade cost $1m vs the cap and his new team can re-do his deal once they sign him?

        This is an extreme example, but isn't there a way to re-do the contract to eliminate the Cap hit?

        I'm not sure I understand this 100%.
        I think if we trade AB, we should seriously consider just blowing it all up (i.e. trading Ben too).

        I think AB is our only elite player. It's too bad he's a head case (and apparently getting worse by the year).

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        • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 10089

          #5
          Originally posted by flippy
          We still owe Brown ~$21m over the next 2 years. What if we restructured his contract to $22m over 21 years including a $1m signing bonus as a thank you for restructuring.

          Then couldn't his trade cost $1m vs the cap and his new team can re-do his deal once they sign him?

          This is an extreme example, but isn't there a way to re-do the contract to eliminate the Cap hit?

          I'm not sure I understand this 100%.
          Sorry Flip, in a word...no. There is a pro-rated signing bonus amount remaining of $21M+ and it accelerates to now if he is traded, cut, or retires. The only alternative if you move him is to do so after June 1 and then $7M is counted against the cap in '19 and $14M in '20. That also means that the Steelers are on the hook for a $2.5M roster bonus in March so best to trade him before that if that's the plan.
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          • Buzz
            Legend
            • Dec 2017
            • 8290

            #6
            According to Bouchette:

            If he plays in 2019, his salary cap figure will be $22,165,000. If they trade him, his salary cap figure will be $21,120,000.

            But there’s more than that. What isn’t being taken into account is his 2019 salary of $12,625,000 that won’t be paid and will be wiped from their cap, even though Brown’s individual cap figure will technically remain the same. Also, Brown is due a $2.5 million roster bonus five days after the new league season begins March 13.

            That’s a real AND cap savings of more than $15 million in salary and bonus that won’t be paid or count if they trade him before March 18. (No trades are permitted before March 13, so they would have a five-day window to do so.)
            Mike Tomlin speaks to the media Wednesday, Jan. 2, 2019.
            Gerry Dulac
            Mike Tomlin: Once Antonio Brown skipped meetings, 'playing wasn't on the menu'

            That brings his realistic salary cap hit down to $6 million if they trade him by then, although technically on the books it will be that $21 million-plus in “dead money.” Plus, it would eliminate him from the books forever after 2019.

            Of course, they will have to use some of that $15 million to replace Brown with another wide receiver, whether that’s via trade, free agency or the draft. They could do plenty with that amount.

            It’s what they should have done with Le’Veon Bell a year ago rather than commit $14.5 million of their cap to him, preventing them from using that money elsewhere to find another back and shore up their defense.

            They have that Bell money and cap space back because he skipped the 2018 season, but they really are not awash in cap space. Despite the Bell situation and an increase in the NFL’s salary cap by at least $10 million, the Steelers are projected to have $28.6 million in space by Overthecap.com. But that number counts just 38 players under contract.

            Still, there is plenty of room to work. Their cap space won’t be reduced if they trade Brown. They want to work out a new contract for Ben Roethlisberger, but any new deal for him would actually save them more cap space in 2019. He has a $12 million salary and $5 million roster bonus due this year and all of that can be reduced through a signing bonus in a new contract with a reduced 2019 salary.

            Surely, they can get at least a first-round draft choice this year for what may be the best receiver in the NFL, despite his recalcitrance. Maybe more. The Dallas Cowboys traded a first-round pick to Oakland for wide receiver Amari Cooper, who can’t carry Brown’s luggage. In 2017, Cooper caught 48 passes for 680 yards. He flourished with the Cowboys this year but still had 75 receptions for 1,005 yards and seven touchdowns, pale by Brown’s standards and his production this season — 104 catches; 1,297 yards; and a league-high 15 touchdowns despite missing the final game.

            But would the Steelers really trade such a receiver, and where would that leave them at the position? One NFL personnel man said he does not see how the Steelers can keep Brown after what he did last week.

            First, forget about trading him after June 1 to save more cap room this year by pushing two-thirds off into 2020. They would need the draft choice now and would be out the $2.5 million signing bonus they must pay him March 18. Plus, his salary would count on their cap until June, preventing them from making other moves.

            No, if they are going to trade him it must be during that five-day window beginning March 13, when trades are first allowed — to save the roster bonus, salary and to get the draft pick(s) this year.

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            • pittpete
              Legend
              • Aug 2008
              • 6825

              #7
              Trade him for a #1 this year and a #1 the year after.
              Theres no way this mental case can play for the Steelers again
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              • Northern_Blitz
                Legend
                • Dec 2008
                • 23901

                #8
                Originally posted by pittpete
                Trade him for a #1 this year and a #1 the year after.
                Theres no way this mental case can play for the Steelers again
                Do you think anyone will pay that price after this crap?

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                • pittpete
                  Legend
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 6825

                  #9
                  If they cut or trade him after Jun 1 the dead $$$$ is 7,040,000 for 2019
                  The remaining 2 years of the Signing bonus are accelerated for 2020 and dead $$$$ would be 14,140,000
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                  • pittpete
                    Legend
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 6825

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                    Do you think anyone will pay that price after this crap?
                    You never know....IMO this is worse than Bell.
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                    • Iron City Inc.
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Jun 2013
                      • 3187

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                      Do you think anyone will pay that price after this crap?
                      Your right we won't be selling high but it only takes 1 team to want him bad and we should get a decent enough deal. Sucks for us but its addition by subtraction.

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                      • papillon
                        Legend
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 11337

                        #12
                        I hope the Steelers and AB can cool off and sit down at the kitchen table and figure out how to move forward. I'd hate to see him go,he's a fantastic talent, but I'd hate to see him stay and continue to be a problem child. I'd like to think that somewhere in AB's mind he would be able to muster up the fortitude to talk with the Steelers like an adult and get this ironed out. That would include him having to be okay with the offense passing less, his targets diminishing because of it and possibly his stats but in the end the Steelers are a better team. The football piece of this has to be part of the discussion. If the two sides can't come to an agreement then they have to figure out how best to unload him and get the most for him and that would be a sad day.

                        Here's to the Steelers and AB finding a way to get on the same page.

                        Pappy
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                        • MeetJoeGreene
                          Hall of Famer
                          • May 2008
                          • 3221

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                          Do you think anyone will pay that price after this crap?
                          That was my thought too.
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                          • The Man of Steel
                            Pro Bowler
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 2200

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                            Do you think anyone will pay that price after this crap?
                            AB will be 31 at the start of next season so probably not because clearly his best years are behind him now.
                            Obviously the standard is the standard.

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                            • NorthCoast
                              Legend
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 26102

                              #15
                              Originally posted by pittpete
                              You never know....IMO this is worse than Bell.
                              It is worse than Bell. Bell wasn't under contract, while AB is. Even if it was just AB's emotions that got the better of him he is hardly capitulating.
                              Sad, he could have gone down as the greatest Steelers receiver of all time, and one of the greatest in the NFL. Now he is becoming nothing more than a TO. Still hopeful something can be done but it's gotta be AB that hangs his head down to come back. And I don't see that happening.

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