Timmons Dime LB

[Oviedo]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

IMO Farrior will not get a big multi-year contact from the Steelers. He may be playing at a high level, but one injury can change that dramatically and the organization would be foolish to lock themselves in for several year. I could see him getting a good bonus with a cap friendly one year salary. This is what Bettis did and I think it is the smart way to do business.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

I never said he wasn't a Steeler guy AA, I never said I disliked him, and I said i wanted him to walk. He never said anything about his new contract and the fact that both of you are saying it will be a non-issue is speculating as much as I am. The guy is not the same player he was...Period. I'm saying he will be a 34 year old LB in decline and the Steelers are very careful with players like that. If he doesn't take a major discount he isn't worth it!

Brother, then I guess you and I are one in the same mind on this subject. I think you might be reading something in my posts that just isn't there. I make no references to the points you make. I never said you didn't like him, nor did I say that you felt he wasn't a Steeler guy. This is just one source of my speculation.

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There are other articles out there that state the same. Once again, JPN... I'm not refuting you stats nor am I necessarily disagreeing with you.... I'm stating my own opinion, that if there's a leader in our D that wants to play for us until he retires and is willing to restructure his contract to make that happen, and in the process helps the young and upcoming LBs on our team learn and adapt to our defense.... then why not keep him.

I apologize if that wasn't where you were going. I agree with both of you on his value. I think he is in decline but still should be here. I would love for someone to talk to him about this being his last year and his new contract. It would be interesting to see what he says now and what happens. I just think the guy is still playing at a level of a $5 mil LB and I don't think the Steelers have that number in their plans. He would be a great mentor.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

I never said he wasn't a Steeler guy AA, I never said I disliked him, and I said i wanted him to walk. He never said anything about his new contract and the fact that both of you are saying it will be a non-issue is speculating as much as I am. The guy is not the same player he was...Period. I'm saying he will be a 34 year old LB in decline and the Steelers are very careful with players like that. If he doesn't take a major discount he isn't worth it!

I get that you've been fairly complimentary towards Farrior Nasty, and the only things we're in disagreement on are the issue of him being in decline and the statements attributed towards his next contract.

I think we've both stated our cases in the first point of contention and it looks like neither one of us has swayed the other's thinking. That's cool, but it pretty much sets the table for his value to this team and will determine whether or not the extension or new contract is forthcoming (and you're still wrong ).

As far as the statements about him taking less to stay here, that article was clearly making references to his desire to retire a Steeler and that there are more important factors than money. When a player is entering the last year of their contract, you would never hear an agent down-play the importance of money unless that's what the player has specifically instructed them to do. I have also heard similar comments attributed to Farrior on this same topic.

Time will tell, but it sounds like you won't mind cheering him on as long as he's wearing the Black-n-Gold.

We are not disagreeing about his value...Very True! We just disagree about him declining and the contract extension. I said this to AA, I think he is still playing at a level of a $5 mil LB and I don't see that number in the Steelers plans for a 34 year old player regardless of how he is playing. Maybe a one year deal. I am a fan of Farrior and yes...I would cheer the guy on if he takes a discount or the Steelers overpay!

You and AA, as usual, were a "class act" in this debate and I look forward to talking more Steeler football in the future. What ever happens, what helps the Steelers win is O.K. by me!!!

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

IMO Farrior will not get a big multi-year contact from the Steelers. He may be playing at a high level, but one injury can change that dramatically and the organization would be foolish to lock themselves in for several year. I could see him getting a good bonus with a cap friendly one year salary. This is what Bettis did and I think it is the smart way to do business.

I agree. That is exactly how I think the Steelers will look at it. The guy is an important part of the Steelers success. He could help the young guys out in ways you can't coach. He is still playing at a high level. But...There is a risk to signing him to a multi-year deal...That is all I'm saying. God forbid, Farrior gets a serious knee injury his 1st year of his new contract. He misses that season and never will be fully recovered until he is 36. It isn't right how things get handled at this point in players careers because the business aspect becomes more evident. If it was money coming out of my pocket, It would be a one year deal or a 2 year deal with the "Hometown Discount" with incentives...Just like you said O! If Farrior does "Set The Example" and take the discount like AA & FLASTEEL said...He will gain new respect from me. I'm sure allot of Steeler fans feel the same way!

[Oviedo]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

IMO Farrior will not get a big multi-year contact from the Steelers. He may be playing at a high level, but one injury can change that dramatically and the organization would be foolish to lock themselves in for several year. I could see him getting a good bonus with a cap friendly one year salary. This is what Bettis did and I think it is the smart way to do business.

I agree. That is exactly how I think the Steelers will look at it. The guy is an important part of the Steelers success. He could help the young guys out in ways you can't coach. He is still playing at a high level. But...There is a risk to signing him to a multi-year deal...That is all I'm saying. God forbid, Farrior gets a serious knee injury his 1st year of his new contract. He misses that season and never will be fully recovered until he is 36. It isn't right how things get handled at this point in players careers because the business aspect becomes more evident. If it was money coming out of my pocket, It would be a one year deal or a 2 year deal with the "Hometown Discount" with incentives...Just like you said O! If Farrior does "Set The Example" and take the discount like AA & FLASTEEL said...He will gain new respect from me. I'm sure allot of Steeler fans feel the same way!

I said quite awhile ago on the old board that with everything you hear about Farrior you just get the sense that being a coach may be in his future. The Steelers were smart enough to groom Dungy, maybe Farrior?

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

IMO Farrior will not get a big multi-year contact from the Steelers. He may be playing at a high level, but one injury can change that dramatically and the organization would be foolish to lock themselves in for several year. I could see him getting a good bonus with a cap friendly one year salary. This is what Bettis did and I think it is the smart way to do business.

I agree. That is exactly how I think the Steelers will look at it. The guy is an important part of the Steelers success. He could help the young guys out in ways you can't coach. He is still playing at a high level. But...There is a risk to signing him to a multi-year deal...That is all I'm saying. God forbid, Farrior gets a serious knee injury his 1st year of his new contract. He misses that season and never will be fully recovered until he is 36. It isn't right how things get handled at this point in players careers because the business aspect becomes more evident. If it was money coming out of my pocket, It would be a one year deal or a 2 year deal with the "Hometown Discount" with incentives...Just like you said O! If Farrior does "Set The Example" and take the discount like AA & FLASTEEL said...He will gain new respect from me. I'm sure allot of Steeler fans feel the same way!

I said quite awhile ago on the old board that with everything you hear about Farrior you just get the sense that being a coach may be in his future. The Steelers were smart enough to groom Dungy, maybe Farrior?

I haven't ever considered that in my thought process. Good point. With his experience and production in the NFL...Coaching might be next!

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

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IMO Farrior will not get a big multi-year contact from the Steelers. He may be playing at a high level, but one injury can change that dramatically and the organization would be foolish to lock themselves in for several year. I could see him getting a good bonus with a cap friendly one year salary. This is what Bettis did and I think it is the smart way to do business.

I agree. That is exactly how I think the Steelers will look at it. The guy is an important part of the Steelers success. He could help the young guys out in ways you can't coach. He is still playing at a high level. But...There is a risk to signing him to a multi-year deal...That is all I'm saying. God forbid, Farrior gets a serious knee injury his 1st year of his new contract. He misses that season and never will be fully recovered until he is 36. It isn't right how things get handled at this point in players careers because the business aspect becomes more evident. If it was money coming out of my pocket, It would be a one year deal or a 2 year deal with the "Hometown Discount" with incentives...Just like you said O! If Farrior does "Set The Example" and take the discount like AA & FLASTEEL said...He will gain new respect from me. I'm sure allot of Steeler fans feel the same way!

I said quite awhile ago on the old board that with everything you hear about Farrior you just get the sense that being a coach may be in his future. The Steelers were smart enough to groom Dungy, maybe Farrior?

I haven't ever considered that in my thought process. Good point. With his experience and production in the NFL...Coaching might be next![/quote:2l70hpdk]

Coaching hours are insane, though. Guys with as much money in the bank as Farrior would probably prefer to spend quality time with their family after their playing days are over instead of arriving at the facility before the sun rises every day, and staying until well after the sun sets.

[AngryAsian]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

Coaching hours are insane, though. Guys with as much money in the bank as Farrior would probably prefer to spend quality time with their family after their playing days are over instead of arriving at the facility before the sun rises every day, and staying until well after the sun sets.

Maybe immediately out of retirement, but maybe not so much in the long run. Coaching is akin to teaching... your not doing it for the pay but for the love of the craft or in this case the love of the game.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

Coaching hours are insane, though. Guys with as much money in the bank as Farrior would probably prefer to spend quality time with their family after their playing days are over instead of arriving at the facility before the sun rises every day, and staying until well after the sun sets.

Maybe immediately out of retirement, but maybe not so much in the long run. Coaching is akin to teaching... your not doing it for the pay but for the love of the craft or in this case the love of the game.

...And Farrior looks like he lives for football! It would be nice to see him still on the sideline after his playing days are over...Of course only in Steeler colors!

[AngryAsian]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

...And Farrior looks like he lives for football! It would be nice to see him still on the sideline after his playing days are over...Of course only in Steeler colors!

Amen to that, brother.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

[quote=RuthlessBurgher]

IMO Farrior will not get a big multi-year contact from the Steelers. He may be playing at a high level, but one injury can change that dramatically and the organization would be foolish to lock themselves in for several year. I could see him getting a good bonus with a cap friendly one year salary. This is what Bettis did and I think it is the smart way to do business.

I agree. That is exactly how I think the Steelers will look at it. The guy is an important part of the Steelers success. He could help the young guys out in ways you can't coach. He is still playing at a high level. But...There is a risk to signing him to a multi-year deal...That is all I'm saying. God forbid, Farrior gets a serious knee injury his 1st year of his new contract. He misses that season and never will be fully recovered until he is 36. It isn't right how things get handled at this point in players careers because the business aspect becomes more evident. If it was money coming out of my pocket, It would be a one year deal or a 2 year deal with the "Hometown Discount" with incentives...Just like you said O! If Farrior does "Set The Example" and take the discount like AA & FLASTEEL said...He will gain new respect from me. I'm sure allot of Steeler fans feel the same way!

I said quite awhile ago on the old board that with everything you hear about Farrior you just get the sense that being a coach may be in his future. The Steelers were smart enough to groom Dungy, maybe Farrior?

I haven't ever considered that in my thought process. Good point. With his experience and production in the NFL...Coaching might be next!

Coaching hours are insane, though. Guys with as much money in the bank as Farrior would probably prefer to spend quality time with their family after their playing days are over instead of arriving at the facility before the sun rises every day, and staying until well after the sun sets.[/quote:331fisjm]

Very True. Those guys put in allot of hours. Some guys have that "Itch" and have to be around the game even after their playing days are over. However, some players don't have anything to offer in the coaching ranks. I think Farrior might have a future there if that is the road he chooses!

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

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I said quite awhile ago on the old board that with everything you hear about Farrior you just get the sense that being a coach may be in his future. The Steelers were smart enough to groom Dungy, maybe Farrior?

I haven't ever considered that in my thought process. Good point. With his experience and production in the NFL...Coaching might be next!

Coaching hours are insane, though. Guys with as much money in the bank as Farrior would probably prefer to spend quality time with their family after their playing days are over instead of arriving at the facility before the sun rises every day, and staying until well after the sun sets.

Very True. Those guys put in allot of hours. Some guys have that "Itch" and have to be around the game even after their playing days are over. However, some players don't have anything to offer in the coaching ranks. I think Farrior might have a future there if that is the road he chooses![/quote:3hklue74][/quote:3hklue74]

There aren't many Pro Bowl caliber players that decided to become coaches (Mike Singletary is one...Kenny Anderson is another). Of the coaches who have been NFL players, most had only marginal careers at best (like Cowher or Jeff Fisher).

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

There aren't many Pro Bowl caliber players that decided to become coaches (Mike Singletary is one...Kenny Anderson is another). Of the coaches who have been NFL players, most had only marginal careers at best (like Cowher or Jeff Fisher).

I wonder why that is...Interesting? You can say some went into broadcasting or some other form of entertainment. Some just continue on with their lives totally isolated from the game. Maybe the great ones need to become detached from the game all together because it really bothers them not to be out there playing anymore. I have always found that the technicians or less athleticly gifted players make better coaches. They study and learn the "Ins & Outs" of the game because they need to get by on preparation, technique, and motivation. A guy who needs to work harder to achieve their goals is more knowledgeable than a guy who is blessed with pure ability.

[Iron Shiek]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

There aren't many Pro Bowl caliber players that decided to become coaches (Mike Singletary is one...Kenny Anderson is another). Of the coaches who have been NFL players, most had only marginal careers at best (like Cowher or Jeff Fisher).

I wonder why that is...Interesting? You can say some went into broadcasting or some other form of entertainment. Some just continue on with their lives totally isolated from the game. Maybe the great ones need to become detached from the game all together because it really bothers them not to be out there playing anymore. I have always found that the technicians or less athleticly gifted players make better coaches. They study and learn the "Ins & Outs" of the game because they need to get by on preparation, technique, and motivation. A guy who needs to work harder to achieve their goals is more knowledgeable than a guy who is blessed with pure ability.

Dude you nailed it. Look at the NBA. Magic tried coaching and sucked. Bird had mild success but couldn't get into it. I don't know what you call Isaiah Thomas' effort, not really coaching. But then you get these guys like Rudy Tomjonovich or Phil Jackson and I guess Doc Rivers (even though he is still confused alot of the time) that have some pretty good success. I'm sure NBA theory could be proved wrong, but from my decent NBA knowledge it sound right, and coincides with your NFL theories.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Timmons Dime LB

[quote=Iron Shiek]

There aren't many Pro Bowl caliber players that decided to become coaches (Mike Singletary is one...Kenny Anderson is another). Of the coaches who have been NFL players, most had only marginal careers at best (like Cowher or Jeff Fisher).

I wonder why that is...Interesting? You can say some went into broadcasting or some other form of entertainment. Some just continue on with their lives totally isolated from the game. Maybe the great ones need to become detached from the game all together because it really bothers them not to be out there playing anymore. I have always found that the technicians or less athleticly gifted players make better coaches. They study and learn the "Ins & Outs" of the game because they need to get by on preparation, technique, and motivation. A guy who needs to work harder to achieve their goals is more knowledgeable than a guy who is blessed with pure ability.

Dude you nailed it. Look at the NBA. Magic tried coaching and sucked. Bird had mild success but couldn't get into it. I don't know what you call Isaiah Thomas' effort, not really coaching. But then you get these guys like Rudy Tomjonovich or Phil Jackson and I guess Doc Rivers (even though he is still confused alot of the time) that have some pretty good success. I'm sure NBA theory could be proved wrong, but from my decent NBA knowledge it sound right, and coincides with your NFL theories.[/quote:1cvjfqov]

You are right about the NBA. So many talented "Old School" players out there...You would think have a shot at coaching. It is puzzling why it seems the "Great Ones" generally don't have that much success coaching. It is pretty hard to nail down a large group in the NFL, NBA, or NHL. I wonder if it is the success rate or they just are not interested? Baseball seems like it is more of a possibilty to break in to coaching. My theory for football seems like it could used across the board?