LB @ the Club in Miami

[feltdizz]

Did we ever offer Bell a 3 year deal? Pretty sure we tried to lock him up long term for 5 or 6 years but only guaranteed 2 years. Why would he sign a long term deal where we would more than likely ask him to take a pay cut after the first 2 years were up?

Im pretty sure the whole reason Bell isn’t here is because he is mad he is trapped by the tag.

I know now it’s a 14.5 mill trap but he knows once he hits FA he will make that money back.

Also, that 14.5 is really 7.25 after taxes. People tend to forget that. Still great money but obviously he is willing to leave some of it in the table.

You can’t make up contract numbers for him to sign. He never had an option for a 3 year deal.

[Steel Maniac]

I don't think the team that signs him to his next contract really cares about the optics and here's why. Bell is 26, he'll turn 27 after the season, the next team that signs him is going to probably try and get a 4 year deal, Bell will probably want a 5 yer deal and he'll end up with a 4 year deal with an option for the 5th. At that the end of his 4th season he will be 30 years old, if they pick up the option, he'll be 31 at the end of that season, the team will have had him under contract and won't be in the predicament that the Steelers are ion because of bell's age. So, they don't care that he's putting himself first right now, they'll sign him, have him under contract and then discard him, they won't have to worry about him wanting 12, 13, 15, million a year, he won't be getting that again.

Pappy

i've been telling you guys for the previous 4 months he won' t be getting that type of money. He messed up when he didn't take the deal in 2017 that we offered. The one his mom and agent told him to take. This guy is a full blown knucklehead. He showed it to you when he turned down that deal.

Saying, " Im not taking it; I want a bigger deal to reset the market for all the runningbacks." That line he gave was concrete proof of how much that weed was affecting his brain.

[Starlifter]

I think he gets about 14 mill to 17 mill per with most of it guaranteed over 4 years.

I don’t think quite that high - but he’s cashing in for sure.

Maybe we should start a new thread with predictions?

Put me down for 4 years, 15 million per year with 48 million guaranteed.

[brothervad]

Crap forgot about taxes (fixed it with Feltdizz's rate of 50%)

I think it may have been another thread but can't remember for sure...I mentioned what LB's forgoing this year or even 10 weeks worth of the year. The Future value of money is a tool used to calculate the fact that $1 earned today is more valuable than a $1 earned in the future (because you can invest it keep it in the bank an it will accrue value over time, hence the phrase "Time Value" of money.

The formula is...

FV = I (1+R)n


I don't know how to superscript format here for a post usually the lowercase "n" is a superscript

FV = Future value
I = investment
R = rate of return
n = time period (in this case years)

So if for some reason Leveon never signs (unlikely but we will say for now)

FV = $7,250,000 (1.06)5

Assuming he gets his 5 year deal I want to show what he would be out money-wise after 5 years. 6% is the low end of a good retirement investment plan (6-7%)

$9,702,135.44

if it's only 12 weeks (week 10 + 2 weeks that the Steelers can dock him - roster exemption) he will lose $10,260,000)

FV = $5,130,000 (1.06)5

$6,865,097.21

Ok I guess you can say he really is looking at the principle and not that money but even if he gets the 5 year guarantee...he will never get that money back. I guess those who are making the case it's not about the money are probably right.

But if you look at the decision from a pure investment standpoint...that's a lot of salad.

Brothervad

[BURGH86STEEL]

Did we ever offer Bell a 3 year deal? Pretty sure we tried to lock him up long term for 5 or 6 years but only guaranteed 2 years. Why would he sign a long term deal where we would more than likely ask him to take a pay cut after the first 2 years were up?

Im pretty sure the whole reason Bell isn’t here is because he is mad he is trapped by the tag.

I know now it’s a 14.5 mill trap but he knows once he hits FA he will make that money back.

Also, that 14.5 is really 7.25 after taxes. People tend to forget that. Still great money but obviously he is willing to leave some of it in the table.

You can’t make up contract numbers for him to sign. He never had an option for a 3 year deal.

Bell probably didn't report because he wants to save the wear and tear on his body and reduce the risk that he suffers a financial altering injury.

[NorthCoast]

Bell probably didn't report because he wants to save the wear and tear on his body and reduce the risk that he suffers a financial altering injury.

If I was a GM I would certainly be hesitant to sign a RB to a megadeal who is more concerned about injury and money, than about winning. He's a good RB, but I am not convinced he is a once in a generation player. I think defenses in the NFL have evolved to primarily stop the pass and it has made RB play look artificially good. Bell, Gurley and others are good against the defenses of today. But it remains to be seen how difficult it is to find these kinds of players from the college ranks. All things go in cycles.

[fordfixer]

The guaranteed portion of Gurley's new 4 year deal is $45M.

The guaranteed portion of Johnson's new 3 year deal is $30M.

Steelhere is proposing that Bell's next contract (to be negotiated on the open free agent market rather than with just one team only) will be nowhere near double digit guarantee money (last night), then no more than $10M (this morning), and now no more than $12M (this afternoon).

Wow at that rate Bell gonna be really wealthy by the end of his holdout

[papillon]

Bell has never shown that he doesn't give anything but 100% when he's playing, I'm not sure where you guys are seeing him not playing at full speed or not playing hard, this guy is getting 360 plus touches in years he's played. He will get paid and it will be a lot guaranteed money, you may not like him for what he's doing this year but look at it objectively. I'm sure there are teams already putting together offers for his services next year.

Pappy

[SteelBucks]

Bell has never shown that he doesn't give anything but 100% when he's playing, I'm not sure where you guys are seeing him not playing at full speed or not playing hard, this guy is getting 360 plus touches in years he's played. He will get paid and it will be a lot guaranteed money, you may not like him for what he's doing this year but look at it objectively. I'm sure there are teams already putting together offers for his services next year.

Pappy

I’m looking forward to the day he officially is gone. I’ve had enough of the two year drama.

[feltdizz]

If I was a GM I would certainly be hesitant to sign a RB to a megadeal who is more concerned about injury and money, than about winning. He's a good RB, but I am not convinced he is a once in a generation player. I think defenses in the NFL have evolved to primarily stop the pass and it has made RB play look artificially good. Bell, Gurley and others are good against the defenses of today. But it remains to be seen how difficult it is to find these kinds of players from the college ranks. All things go in cycles.

Lmao.. no, this doesn’t make any sense. We have rookie players who miss the beginning of camp because they are waiting to sign based in the players who were picked ahead of them.

Do they lack the desire to win? No, it’s just business. If Bell refused to go into a game when he was suited up then yeah.. I could see your point but Bell has never shown a lack of desire to win on the field.