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  • Slapstick
    Rookie
    • May 2008
    • 0

    #16
    There's no shade like Mike Tomlin shade:
    ”Why that play was not corrected, I have no idea,” Tomlin said. “Ask New York. They felt comfortable talking about the hit on Ben [Roethlisberger] was inappropriately officiated. I’d be interested to see their comments regarding that play. I haven’t taken time to ask because I’m busy preparing for Kansas City.”
    Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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    • papillon
      Legend
      • Mar 2008
      • 11340

      #17
      On the ball that hit Chubb (that's right, it hit him ), the trajectory didn't change but what did change and if you watch it at normal speed is the speed of the rotation of the ball. After hitting the ground and bouncing toward Chubb the rotation of the ball is very slow and end over end, after contacting his helmet it is still spinning end over end but at a faster rate because the momentum of Chubb moving forward adds some momentum, forward velocity or angular velocity to the ball. I'm sure there is a physicist (or someone that actually knows physics) on the site that can give me the correct physics terms.

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      • fordfixer
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 10921

        #18
        Originally posted by papillon
        On the ball that hit Chubb (that's right, it hit him ), the trajectory didn't change but what did change and if you watch it at normal speed is the speed of the rotation of the ball. After hitting the ground and bouncing toward Chubb the rotation of the ball is very slow and end over end, after contacting his helmet it is still spinning end over end but at a faster rate because the momentum of Chubb moving forward adds some momentum, forward velocity or angular velocity to the ball. I'm sure there is a physicist (or someone that actually knows physics) on the site that can give me the correct physics terms.

        Pappy
        Ummm yeah it’s Called increased rotation. And I didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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        • Eich
          Legend
          • Jul 2010
          • 7043

          #19
          Originally posted by flippy
          On the other hand in watching the full play, you can see the player's head move, react to the ball hitting him. It's not conclusive either, but common sense tells me his head moved because he just got hit in the face with the ball.
          Common sense would also say that he flinched with the ball coming so close to his head. I have yet to see any video, live speed or replay that proves that the ball hit his helmet. I think it's more likely that it did hit the helmet but I agree with the replay officials. Since no official was in position to see it, whatever was called on the field was going to stand.

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          • flippy
            Legend
            • Dec 2008
            • 17088

            #20
            Originally posted by Eich
            Common sense would also say that he flinched with the ball coming so close to his head. I have yet to see any video, live speed or replay that proves that the ball hit his helmet. I think it's more likely that it did hit the helmet but I agree with the replay officials. Since no official was in position to see it, whatever was called on the field was going to stand.
            If he were to flinch because the ball was coming close, he woulda flinched earlier. The flinch happens after the ball makes contact (assuming).

            But I'm with you. I don't think the officials did anything wrong even though I think they got the call wrong.

            As Tomlin mentioned, why would Clevelands PR go in after the loose ball if someone on their team didn't touch the ball?
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            • Slapstick
              Rookie
              • May 2008
              • 0

              #21




              I believe the officials did do something wrong. The ball changes direction after bouncing off Chubb's helmet...

              The fact that they somehow cannot see that means either:

              1) The replay system is broken

              or

              B) The replay system works exactly how they want it to work
              Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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              • Eich
                Legend
                • Jul 2010
                • 7043

                #22
                Originally posted by Slapstick
                I believe the officials did do something wrong. The ball changes direction after bouncing off Chubb's helmet...

                The fact that they somehow cannot see that means either:

                1) The replay system is broken

                or

                B) The replay system works exactly how they want it to work
                Really? Even with your super slow-mo-frame-by-frame gif there, any change in the rotation and/or direction of the ball is barely perceptible, if there is any at all.

                I don't know what you guys are seeing but during the reply, I didn't see anything that proved that the ball actually made contact with his helmet.
                Last edited by Eich; 09-12-2018, 01:56 PM.

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                • Eich
                  Legend
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 7043

                  #23
                  Originally posted by flippy
                  As Tomlin mentioned, why would Clevelands PR go in after the loose ball if someone on their team didn't touch the ball?
                  Because they didn't know for sure and figured they'd better do it just in case because it looked so close. I've seen that before. A player assumes worst-case and tries to make sure a turnover doesn't happen.

                  Why do players throw themselves on a ball or into pile after a runner is down, the whistle blows and the ball pops loose? Because they want to be sure that a fumble isn't called.

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                  • K Train
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 3685

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Eich
                    Really? Even with your super slow-mo-frame-by-frame gif there, any change in the rotation and/or direction of the ball is barely perceptible, if there is any at all.

                    I don't know what you guys are seeing but during the reply, I didn't see anything that proved that the ball actually made contact with his helmet.
                    As Chub is moving to the right the ball goes from an angle to the left to straight up and even slightly right lol

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                    • flippy
                      Legend
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 17088

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Eich
                      Because they didn't know for sure and figured they'd better do it just in case because it looked so close. I've seen that before. A player assumes worst-case and tries to make sure a turnover doesn't happen.

                      Why do players throw themselves on a ball or into pile after a runner is down, the whistle blows and the ball pops loose? Because they want to be sure that a fumble isn't called.

                      Fair enough.

                      I'm sure the ball hit Chubb, but also don't think there was evidence on the replay to prove it. I'd say the Steelers side line reaction was another pretty good indicator.
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                      • Slapstick
                        Rookie
                        • May 2008
                        • 0

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Eich
                        Really? Even with your super slow-mo-frame-by-frame gif there, any change in the rotation and/or direction of the ball is barely perceptible, if there is any at all.

                        I don't know what you guys are seeing but during the reply, I didn't see anything that proved that the ball actually made contact with his helmet.
                        The ball changes direction. Watch the trajectory coming in (heading to the left, as K Train points out) and then after it hits the helmet (straight up or even slightly right, also pointed out by K Train)...

                        The ball can change directions strangely after a bounce, but not in mid air unless it hits something...
                        Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                        • RuthlessBurgher
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 33208

                          #27
                          Originally posted by K Train
                          As Chub is moving to the right the ball goes from an angle to the left to straight up and even slightly right lol
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                          Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                          We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                          We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                          • pittpete
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                            • Aug 2008
                            • 6825

                            #28
                            The grassy knoll with Roger McDowell and Hernandez....LOL
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                            • NorthCoast
                              Legend
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 26636

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Eich
                              Really? Even with your super slow-mo-frame-by-frame gif there, any change in the rotation and/or direction of the ball is barely perceptible, if there is any at all.

                              I don't know what you guys are seeing but during the reply, I didn't see anything that proved that the ball actually made contact with his helmet.
                              Watch the ball motion relative to the fan sitting in the background. When it first appears at the bottom of the screen the motion suggests the ball should pass over the hand of the fan in the background. But it instead passes over the fan's head, meaning somehow the path changed in mid air.

                              But I agree, no way they were going to overturn with that video evidence.

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                              • Slapstick
                                Rookie
                                • May 2008
                                • 0

                                #30
                                Originally posted by NorthCoast
                                But I agree, no way they were going to overturn with that video evidence.
                                Then, again:

                                1) The system is broken

                                or

                                2) The system works exactly how the NFL wants it to work
                                Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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