What will be the team's mood/attitude toward Bell when he shows Up?

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  • RuthlessBurgher
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    • May 2008
    • 33208

    #46
    Originally posted by Steel Maniac
    Again, there is no pettiness or hate. The only ones who are petty are the ones even suggesting that and bringing it into the conversation in the first place because I'm so willing to move on from Bell. I only care about the teams success as a whole; I don't worship individuals.

    Thank you for the insight Ruth about the compensatory pick aspect of things. Now does it mean the front office still might want to save 14.5 mil as opposed to getting an additional 3rd round pick? I don't know. Depends on what is a priority to them; if they see by the end or camp/preseason that Conner/Samuels can handle the position and that the 14.5 could be used to upgrade the defense to help us win a Super Bowl this year, it may be worth it to them.

    Just depends on the front office's priorities.
    How could it possibly help our team success as a whole to lose a perennial All Pro offensive weapon RB for the 2018 season and also lose a future 3rd round pick, in order to gain $14.5M against the salary cap this year in the middle of the summer when all of the quality free agents have already been signed???

    We currently have about $5.4M in cap space. The final draft pick we have to sign is Terrell Edmunds. Based on what the players selected immediately before him and immediately after him signed for, his ultimate cap hit for 2018 should be about $1.9M. However, due to the offseason rule of 51, he'd push a player making 600K down to the 52nd slot, so our available cap money would essentially drop by only $1.3M when Edmunds signs...so we'd have about $4.1M left.

    Consider that the two main free agents that we already signed will count for a combined $3.9M against the cap ($2.4M for Burnett and $1.5M for Bostic). If we really wanted to add someone to improve our defense this season, we could very easily do that with what we have right now...we don't need an extra $14.5 million.

    To summarize...

    Rescinding Bell's tag makes us weaker now (missing an elite offensive weapon this season) AND makes us weaker in the future (we lose a future 3rd round comp pick). The extra $14.5M we'd gain on the cap is inconsequential, because the cap room that we already have available is sufficient to add the quality of players still unsigned at this point (there are no Aaron Donalds, Luke Kuechlys, or Patrick Petersons available on the open market who would command that amount of money on the open market).

    You can claim that your reasoning to dump Bell is not about bitterness or pettiness all you want, but there is literally no logical reason at all why rescinding Bell's tag right now would make this team better in the present or better in the future. None.
    Last edited by RuthlessBurgher; 07-19-2018, 02:53 PM.
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    • Steel Maniac
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      • Apr 2017
      • 19472

      #47
      Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
      How could it possibly help our team success as a whole to lose a perennial All Pro offensive weapon RB for the 2018 season and also lose a future 3rd round pick, in order to gain $14.5M against the salary cap this year in the middle of the summer when all of the quality free agents have already been signed??? None.
      Who said anything about taking the tag back right now? I said we need to see how the running game is from Conner and Samuels first. But we could use Bell's money to address a weak linebacking corps or secondary depth. Especially at the safety position with a few guys that are unproven (providing Conner/Samuels can handle the job). Offense isn't everything. We won Super Bowls with teams that had legitimate defenses with secondaries that could cover and a front seven that could stop the run.

      Tell you what? Why don't you go into the other thread with Captain Lemmings and I and we can both spell it out to you again, over and over again. You have no logical/ legitimate argument for Bell that correlates to winning a championship. Which is the ultimate goal.
      Last edited by Steel Maniac; 07-19-2018, 04:39 PM.

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      • Steel Maniac
        Banned
        • Apr 2017
        • 19472

        #48
        Ruth, stop acting like your brand new to the world. You know having the best RB in the league doesn't really correlate to winning a Super Bowl with a team that has a so-so defense.

        Your much more astute then that. Your talking with pure emotion with no logical facts behind it. Your better then that. We have a good enough offense if Bell dropped off the face of the earth tomorrow. Our defense is suspect at best. That's what we can use that money on.

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        • pittpete
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          • Aug 2008
          • 6825

          #49
          We have a ton of secondary depth...
          Just saying
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          • Slapstick
            Rookie
            • May 2008
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            #50
            Originally posted by Steel Maniac
            Ruth, stop acting like your brand new to the world. You know having the best RB in the league doesn't really correlate to winning a Super Bowl with a team that has a so-so defense.

            Your much more astute then that. Your talking with pure emotion with no logical facts behind it. Your better then that. We have a good enough offense if Bell dropped off the face of the earth tomorrow. Our defense is suspect at best. That's what we can use that money on.
            Who would the Steelers sign that is available? For which player would they need $14.5 million this year?

            That is the question that would need to be answered before the Steelers ever entertained rescinding the franchise tag...and there is no good answer right now...

            Short of trading for Khalil Mack, Bell will be a Steeler for the 2018 season...
            Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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            • Steel Maniac
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              • Apr 2017
              • 19472

              #51
              Originally posted by pittpete
              We have a ton of secondary depth...
              Just saying
              I know what your saying but in reality their a bunch of unproven guys. While pro bowl safeties sit out there in free agency. I hope the guys in the secondary pan out but fact is most are unproven or have so far shown to be inadequate. Remember, we only faced two legit QB's last year in Brady and Stafford and they tore us up.

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              • NorthCoast
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                • Sep 2008
                • 26636

                #52
                Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                How do you know that? Why even offer him a contract in the 1st place if that was the case?
                I DON'T know it but the terms that are leaking out suggest the Steelers approached the offer with a risk aversion. Write off the signing bonus, and move on if it doesn't work out.

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                • Steel Maniac
                  Banned
                  • Apr 2017
                  • 19472

                  #53
                  Originally posted by NorthCoast
                  I DON'T know it but the terms that are leaking out suggest the Steelers approached the offer with a risk aversion. Write off the signing bonus, and move on if it doesn't work out.
                  Yep........

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                  • steelz09
                    Administrator
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 4675

                    #54
                    Personally, I hope the attitude will be of support towards his lack of basic arithmetic.

                    I'm thinking some basic mathematics flash cards might be in order. I'm sure several teammates can help but they better start off small... Like...
                    1+1 = 2
                    Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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                    • Mr.wizard
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                      • May 2014
                      • 6686

                      #55
                      Like I said before the players are going to be on Bell's side on this one. There is a push among the players to try and get more guaranteed money, the players don't want guys signing deals that have very little guaranteed because it hurts future contracts.

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                      • hawaiiansteel
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                        • May 2008
                        • 35648

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                        Like I said before the players are going to be on Bell's side on this one. There is a push among the players to try and get more guaranteed money, the players don't want guys signing deals that have very little guaranteed because it hurts future contracts.
                        yup, I agree.

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                        • Northern_Blitz
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                          • Dec 2008
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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                          I know what your saying but in reality their a bunch of unproven guys. While pro bowl safeties sit out there in free agency. I hope the guys in the secondary pan out but fact is most are unproven or have so far shown to be inadequate. Remember, we only faced two legit QB's last year in Brady and Stafford and they tore us up.
                          Your worried about unproven guys who are not starting at SS OR FS, but you want to drop an all pro RB for a tandem with 32 NFL carries between them.

                          It's hard not to see that position as anything but spite for Bell (or trolling?)

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                          • feltdizz
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                            • May 2008
                            • 27532

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                            Your worried about unproven guys who are not starting at SS OR FS, but you want to drop an all pro RB for a tandem with 32 NFL carries between them.

                            It's hard not to see that position as anything but spite for Bell (or trolling?)
                            its amazing how hypocritical folks can be when motivated by spite and anger.
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                            • Steel Maniac
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2017
                              • 19472

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                              Like I said before the players are going to be on Bell's side on this one. There is a push among the players to try and get more guaranteed money, the players don't want guys signing deals that have very little guaranteed because it hurts future contracts.
                              Yeah...I can see what your saying having a lot of merit. Players do want more guranteed money.

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                              • feltdizz
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                                • May 2008
                                • 27532

                                #60
                                Originally posted by steelz09
                                Personally, I hope the attitude will be of support towards his lack of basic arithmetic.

                                I'm thinking some basic mathematics flash cards might be in order. I'm sure several teammates can help but they better start off small... Like...
                                1+1 = 2
                                Bell is about to make 14.5 mill and hit the FA market. His math is fine.

                                He just needs to worry about a season ending injury.
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