New defensive additions could equate to even less base defense for the Steelers

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

All 7 or 8 straight losses are not because of Alberto Riveron. Until you learn to accept that the issue with us being the Pats *itch is us, we will continue to lose to them.

That's very true, but that's not what you wrote earlier, nor what I responded to earlier.

Funny thing, you apparently don't have any idea what "I accept", though you write as if you do. You might not want to make any life-changing decisions today! .

[Steel Maniac]

Cheating was his plan C in those other SB's.

I'll go with you on that for the first 3 super bowls. How about the last two?

[Steel Maniac]

What about Noll, Walsh and Gibbs???

Great coaches like the ones I mentioned above had a Plan A, B & C. Tomlin has never, ever had a plan B or C. Tomlin is trying (to his credit) to put in new schemes on defense and I believe it's because he's hearing the rumblings of some of the Steelers owners (minority owners asked for him to be fired) and the fan base is making the same noise as those owners.

He's responding and it's great to see. Plus, Ben's window is shrinking. You want to take advantage of having a franchise QB while you can.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

What about Noll, Walsh and Gibbs???

Great coaches like the ones I mentioned above had a Plan A, B & C. Tomlin has never, ever had a plan B or C.

I will agree, at least it never seems like he does.

Though … let me revise that please. It was pointed out by (?) Slappy that in our last game it did look like we came out of half-time with a Plan B, going from 21 points down (?) to almost winning. And I have to say I remember in a few of our games this past season I remember saying to myself, "Wow, we almost never can win when we fall behind, but look at us now!!". I attributed that to Ben and the offense, but maybe it was the coaching too.

[Steel Maniac]

I will agree, at least it never seems like he does. Maybe he was out back smoking when they covered that in Coaches University!

LMFAO!!! Smoking with J.R. Smith ??

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

LMFAO!!! Smoking with J.R. Smith ??

Whoops, sorry, I edited my post after you quoted. Yeah, exactly!!

[Slapstick]

But that isn't enough; because of what this organization has accomplished, that isn't enough. I hear what your saying but we as Steeler fans have much higher expectations. We are not the Bengals, Bears or Cardinals. We are Steeler fans; we expect more. It might sound a bit snobbish but it is what it is.

And you can have those high expectations...they just aren’t reasonable expectations...

[Northern_Blitz]

But that isn't enough; because of what this organization has accomplished, that isn't enough. I hear what your saying but we as Steeler fans have much higher expectations. We are not the Bengals, Bears or Cardinals. We are Steeler fans; we expect more. It might sound a bit snobbish but it is what it is.

I think that luck is a huge factor in the playoffs. It determines who you play, who gets injured, and little things that happen in games. All of these things matter a lot in single elimination tournaments.

I think that your argument would be much stronger if the Steelers consistently lost 7 game series against weaker teams in the playoffs. But the NFL is like March Madness. Anything can happen.

The Steelers strategy throughout my lifetime seems to have been to try to be consistently good every year. Then, you'll be in playoffs more often. That means that you'll win more often than other teams. This was basically the definition of Cowher's tenure as head coach. Almost always good, eventually won.

I think that we aren't the Browns, Bears, or Cardinals because the FO doesn't make emotional decisions like firing a 13-3 coach that loses to a good team in the playoffs.

[Slapstick]

I will agree, at least it never seems like he does.

Though … let me revise that please. It was pointed out by (?) Slappy that in our last game it did look like we came out of half-time with a Plan B, going from 21 points down (?) to almost winning. And I have to say I remember in a few of our games this past season I remember saying to myself, "Wow, we almost never can win when we fall behind, but look at us now!!". I attributed that to Ben and the offense, but maybe it was the coaching too.

It absolutely is! Some people just have decided that they don’t like Tomlin and will therefore ignore whatever evidence is presented that conflicts with that viewpoint...in that way, it is very much like politics...

[Steel Maniac]

And you can have those high expectations...they just aren’t reasonable expectations...

It's not just me; The majority of the Steeler Empire have these expectations. Having a good regular season record for 5 years straight isn't good enough. It just isn't.

[Steel Maniac]

It absolutely is! Some people just have decided that they don’t like Tomlin and will therefore ignore whatever evidence is presented that conflicts with that viewpoint...in that way, it is very much like politics...

We are talking facts. Not hate. I like Tomlin fine. But with the team we have had for the last 5 years, it has underachieved. Playoff winning has nothing to do with " Like or dislike" of a person. In Football, either your getting it done (Super Bowl appearance) with a great team or your not.

Has nothing to do with like, dislike, weather a guy is white or black. When the playoff evidence shows that Tomlin isn't getting it done.

The evidence shows that Rooney had to calm the minority owners down from getting after Tomlin. Because the owners looked at the evidence (as you say) and have came to the same , logical conclusion of this team underachieving. THAT'S the evidence right there.

[feltdizz]

We are talking facts. Not hate. I like Tomlin fine. But with the team we have had for the last 5 years, it has underachieved. Playoff winning has nothing to do with " Like or dislike" of a person. In Football, either your getting it done (Super Bowl appearance) with a great team or your not.

Has nothing to do with like, dislike, weather a guy is white or black. When the playoff evidence shows that Tomlin isn't getting it done.

The evidence shows that Rooney had to calm the minority owners down from getting after Tomlin. Because the owners looked at the evidence (as you say) and have came to the same , logical conclusion of this team underachieving. THAT'S the evidence right there.

I'm sure minority owners and FO get mad anytime a good team doesn't make the SB.

Who cares though, they have no power.

[feltdizz]

And what does that have to do with us losing to them 7-8 straight right now?

nothing..

it's why they didn't bring up our record vs the Pats, you did..lol

[Slapstick]

We are talking facts. Not hate. I like Tomlin fine. But with the team we have had for the last 5 years, it has underachieved. Playoff winning has nothing to do with " Like or dislike" of a person. In Football, either your getting it done (Super Bowl appearance) with a great team or your not.

Has nothing to do with like, dislike, weather a guy is white or black. When the playoff evidence shows that Tomlin isn't getting it done.

The evidence shows that Rooney had to calm the minority owners down from getting after Tomlin. Because the owners looked at the evidence (as you say) and have came to the same , logical conclusion of this team underachieving. THAT'S the evidence right there.

Tomlin has a SB ring! How many active coaches have more rings than him?

[Steel Maniac]

Tomlin has a SB ring! How many active coaches have more rings than him?

I see we are changing the nerrative..

I"m not going to get into that 2008 Super Bowl because that's going to take the discussion in another direction that will cause great debate.

But the point is that we haven't gotten to a Super Bowl with a great team in 5 years. Factoring in also the terrible secondary Tomlin constantly puts together from a coach who was supposedly a good secondary coach.

That's why the minority owners wanted to get after him.