Changed my thoughts about the Bell contract

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  • Mr.wizard
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    • May 2014
    • 6686

    Originally posted by Ernie
    This is true... the RB's get more touches than anybody besides the QB. Most teams do it effectively by committee (and for far less than 15 million a year).
    I agree with you, but the teams with Elite guys give them touches because they aren't as dynamic when those guys aren't on the field. So it is hard to lump those guys in with the running back by committee guys when you are talking salary, I don't fault Bell for asking what he's asking for, I think for what he does he is worth every penny. Will the Steelers sign him, I don't know, but If the Steelers can make it happen I sure would rather have Bell than a running back by committee.

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    • SanAntonioSteelerFan
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      • May 2008
      • 8361

      One huge advantage of RB by committee is that one injury won't ruin your season.


      We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

      HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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      • Steel Maniac
        Banned
        • Apr 2017
        • 19472

        Originally posted by Captain Lemming
        Do they "add rings" to their fingers?
        What about the other "dynamic" backs who "set the market" in recent years?

        I can think of two.
        What happened when Chis Johnson and Adrian Petersen got paid big bucks at the time?

        Are Willie Parker and Blount better backs than those guys? No.
        AP in particular was a BEAST.
        But elite backs arent as crucial to success as other positions.

        History proves it.

        Elite backs are fools gold people. Pay big bucks to positions that correlate to championships, save elsewhere to pay those positions.
        Boom.... because some are enamoured with their man crush more then us getting a ring.

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        • Steel Maniac
          Banned
          • Apr 2017
          • 19472

          Originally posted by Mr.wizard
          I don't buy that, besides Ben nobody touches the ball more or accounts for more of our offense than Leveon Bell why would we not want an elite guy in that spot? Your judging Bell because he has an "RB" next to his name on the depth chart and not by what his actual role encompasses.
          And when was the last team who won with the highest paid running back?? I rest my case.

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          • Northern_Blitz
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            • Dec 2008
            • 24358

            Originally posted by Steel Maniac
            Boom.... because some are enamoured with their man crush more then us getting a ring.
            I think that this mischaracterizes the argument (at least the one I'm making).

            I think Bell is going to be worth a huge contract (because that's what the market would pay him).

            But, I don't think we should pay it to him (because I think doing so would make it less likely for us to win).

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            • Steel Maniac
              Banned
              • Apr 2017
              • 19472

              I no longer believe anyone would give him more then the 14 mil a year we offered. I believe that that is a myth now. Not even the redskins would do that. That’s an assumption. But, we will find out next year for sure.

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              • feltdizz
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                • May 2008
                • 27493

                Are folks really suggesting we should assemble the same team as 2008 to win a SB?

                Just because we won in 2008 doesn’t mean that roster is the perfect way to win in 2018.

                Our OL was trash, Ben was sacked 40+ times... should we trash our OL to win a SB?

                The point is to find the best players and assemble a team that gives you the best chance to win.
                Steelers 27
                Rats 16

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                • Mr.wizard
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                  • May 2014
                  • 6686

                  Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                  And when was the last team who won with the highest paid running back?? I rest my case.
                  Are you saying you can't win with a high paid running back? I just don't follow, we are talking about paying for an elite player who is making up a huge portion of our offense.

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                  • Ernie
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                    • Aug 2013
                    • 8470

                    Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                    Are you saying you can't win with a high paid running back? I just don't follow, we are talking about paying for an elite player who is making up a huge portion of our offense.
                    That's the thing though... Bell doesn't have to get a high number of touches for this team to be successful. There are more than enough weapons on this team to compensate for a decreased "Bell workload". Id love to see us spread the ball around a lot more this year.

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                    • Mr.wizard
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                      • May 2014
                      • 6686

                      Originally posted by Ernie
                      That's the thing though... Bell doesn't have to get a high number of touches for this team to be successful. There are more than enough weapons on this team to compensate for a decreased "Bell workload". Id love to see us spread the ball around a lot more this year.
                      I don't know if it was by design that Bell gets so many touches, it's just the fact that our downfield passing game is so good, Bell gets a lot of great matchups with the linebackers so he is targeted a lot by Ben. Also with safeties having to stay out of the box it opens up opportunities for the run, so Ben could possibly be checking to a run play.

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                      • Ernie
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                        • Aug 2013
                        • 8470

                        Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                        I don't know if it was by design that Bell gets so many touches, it's just the fact that our downfield passing game is so good, Bell gets a lot of great matchups with the linebackers so he is targeted a lot by Ben. Also with safeties having to stay out of the box it opens up opportunities for the run, so Ben could possibly be checking to a run play.
                        That is undoubtedly part of it...

                        Some of Bell's touches are straight up "Over-kill" though. He had 36 combined in our win over Cleveland a year or so ago.

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                        • Slapstick
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                          • May 2008
                          • 0

                          Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                          Are you saying you can't win with a high paid running back? I just don't follow, we are talking about paying for an elite player who is making up a huge portion of our offense.
                          This is true...however, the issue is this:

                          Is paying one elite player at that position on offense the best use of resources?

                          Because, if two average to above-average players can produce in a similar fashion for much less money, then it allows for more spending on other, more impactful positions...
                          Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                          • Steel Maniac
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2017
                            • 19472

                            Originally posted by Slapstick
                            This is true...however, the issue is this:

                            Is paying one elite player at that position on offense the best use of resources?

                            Because, if two average to above-average players can produce in a similar fashion for much less money, then it allows for more spending on other, more impactful positions...
                            Boom....................

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                            • Ernie
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                              • Aug 2013
                              • 8470

                              Originally posted by Slapstick
                              This is true...however, the issue is this:

                              Is paying one elite player at that position on offense the best use of resources?

                              Because, if two average to above-average players can produce in a similar fashion for much less money, then it allows for more spending on other, more impactful positions...
                              "Boom" x 2...

                              and this should be the post that puts this thread to bed lol

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                              • steelz09
                                Administrator
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 4675

                                Originally posted by Slapstick
                                This is true...however, the issue is this:

                                Is paying one elite player at that position on offense the best use of resources?

                                Because, if two average to above-average players can produce in a similar fashion for much less money, then it allows for more spending on other, more impactful positions...
                                .....

                                BOOMx3
                                Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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