1st Round Draft Picks - Tomlin Era

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  • flippy
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    • Dec 2008
    • 17088

    1st Round Draft Picks - Tomlin Era

    Been busy and haven't had time to post recently, but I've been trying to keep up. Hope my Steeler brethren are doing great these days!!!!

    Leading up to the draft I was thinking a lot about the first round pick. Who will it be? And I thought maybe we should review 1st round picks during the Tomlin era to get some insight.

    07 - Timmy
    08 - Mendy
    09 - Ziggy
    10 - Pouncey
    11 - Cam
    12 - DD
    13 - JJ
    14 - Shazier
    15 - Bud
    16 - Artie
    17 - TJ

    When I really think about that list, I'm not really that impressed. Shazier was potentially all world. Cam is a stud. Pouncey and DD are above average. TJ has good long term potential. The rest are meh. And I think I'm being generous.

    We've got about a 50% chance of our first rounder being a solid contributor. Maybe a 25% chance of a player being a stud. And a 10% chance of them being a star.

    When I really think about that, I think we may be better off going for the home run in round 1.

    If you look at 2nd round picks in the Tomin era, I think we actually did better in that round with Bell, Juju, Davis, Tuitt, Gilbert, Woodley, Adams, and Worilds.

    Looking at rounds 3 and beyond, it's a total crap shoot and odds are we'll get nothing much better than bodies. Based on history, we'll probably find one reliable starter out of the rest of these picks.

    What does this mean? I dunno. But it feels like we should go for higher risk/reward players in every round because most of these guys aren't going to pan out. It's kinda depressing when you really think about it. All the hope we put into every Steeler draft pick. Hanging on to every last thing that they do. Blindly seeing the potential and overlooking the drawbacks. Hoping they'll all be diamonds in the rough. But for the most part, they're the rough.

    Here's another way to think about this. Would we be any better or worse a team if we didn't even participate in the 2015 draft for example? I was just looking for an example of a draft that might not have mattered and 2015 jumps off the page. Not arguing we haven't gotten any contributions from that class, but is any player truly a game changer that couldn't be replaced with some UDFA?

    For years when we were consistently getting All Pros in round 1, I felt like the draft mattered more. But now I'm changing my thinking a bit.

    Why not trade any and all picks to move up in round 1 to get a sure star? Maybe trade every pick if we have to move up and grab Tremaine Edmunds, Bradley Chubb, or Sanquon Barkley and call it a weekend.

    I'd go with Edmunds personally. Kid's 19, a freak, and looks poised to be the center piece of someone's D for the next 10 years.

    Any one know what we'd have to trade to get him? Why not trade everything but our #2 pick and then we get a nearly gauranteed stud plus probably hit on round 2. That would be 10x better than 2015.

    And then we clean up on the UDFA market, giving us a couple day head start on the top guys left.
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  • RuthlessBurgher
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    • May 2008
    • 33208

    #2
    According to the standard draft trade value chart:

    1.28 = 660
    2.60 = 300
    3.92 = 132
    5.148 = 32.2
    5.165 = 26.4
    7.220 = 4.4
    7.246 = 0.9

    Total point value for all of our selections combined: 1155.9

    For comparison's sake, 1.13 = 1150

    Total of all of our selections except for our 2nd round pick: 855.9

    For comparison's sake, 1.20 = 850.
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    • Slapstick
      Rookie
      • May 2008
      • 0

      #3
      Pouncey and DeCastro have been first team All-Pro multiple times, but are only "above average"...

      Flippy, you kill me with this crazy talk...
      Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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      • flippy
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 17088

        #4
        Originally posted by Slapstick
        Pouncey and DeCastro have been first team All-Pro multiple times, but are only "above average"...

        Flippy, you kill me with this crazy talk...
        Great for their position, but do you really think in the grand scheme that they're so good that they're going to win us SuperBowls by having them over a UDFA alternative?

        What if we traded everything for the best pass rushers or DBs in each of the last few drafts?
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        • flippy
          Legend
          • Dec 2008
          • 17088

          #5
          Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
          According to the standard draft trade value chart:

          1.28 = 660
          2.60 = 300
          3.92 = 132
          5.148 = 32.2
          5.165 = 26.4
          7.220 = 4.4
          7.246 = 0.9

          Total point value for all of our selections combined: 1155.9

          For comparison's sake, 1.13 = 1150

          Total of all of our selections except for our 2nd round pick: 855.9

          For comparison's sake, 1.20 = 850.
          So we couldn't get to the top guys. Thanks.

          Maybe the question should be, would u trade everything for pick 13? Or everything but #2 for pick 20? And would someone worth targeting be there?
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          • feltdizz
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 27531

            #6
            If we traded everyone for a few great players we would be trash. You need depth in the NFL. This isn’t the NBA.

            You’ve been so busy you aren’t making any sense.

            Who would you draft if we could move up to the top?
            Steelers 27
            Rats 16

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            • flippy
              Legend
              • Dec 2008
              • 17088

              #7
              Originally posted by feltdizz
              If we traded everyone for a few great players we would be trash. You need depth in the NFL. This isn’t the NBA.

              You’ve been so busy you aren’t making any sense.

              Who would you draft if we could move up to the top?
              id take Edmunds.
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