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  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
    • 26636

    #16
    Originally posted by Slapstick
    The Rams got ripped off...if NE can get a 1st for Cooks and a $9 million salary, the Steelers should definitely get a 1st for Bell...
    Seems a desperation move by the Rams. Just an awful trade for them. Cooks for a 1st?!? NE is laughing in their boots.

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    • Steel Maniac
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      • Apr 2017
      • 19472

      #17
      Patriots I guess are masters at so many aspects in football.

      And we just sit here with aspiring assets in Bryant.

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      • feltdizz
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        • May 2008
        • 27531

        #18
        Originally posted by NorthCoast
        Seems a desperation move by the Rams. Just an awful trade for them. Cooks for a 1st?!? NE is laughing in their boots.

        It is a desperation move.

        Thing is, when you have Brady and make your receivers look great you tend to get more than you should for them.

        I also heard Gronk is supposed to be traded soon but not sure if a reporter just got the name wrong since Cook was traded the same day as the news for Gronk leaked.
        Steelers 27
        Rats 16

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        • Shawn
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          • Mar 2008
          • 15131

          #19
          Originally posted by Steel Maniac
          Pats may be taking Guice from us.
          I hope so.
          Trolls are people too.

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          • Oviedo
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            • May 2008
            • 23824

            #20
            Pats don't exactly have a great group of WRs right now. You have a wideout coming back from injury (Edelmann) and a TE who gets dinged up quite a bit.

            They can do a lot with their picks, but I think if you look at their history they aren't as good as we are at the top of the draft. They have had lots of misses
            "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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            • Oviedo
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              • May 2008
              • 23824

              #21
              Originally posted by Slapstick
              The Rams got ripped off...if NE can get a 1st for Cooks and a $9 million salary, the Steelers should definitely get a 1st for Bell...
              The Rams are in a win now mode. The NFC West is theirs for the taking.

              I actually think their approach is a pretty smart strategy as they try to rebuild the fan enthusiasm in LA. If you don't have a winning product in LA you will lose the fans since they have the attention span of gnats.

              Also keep in mind they are getting ready for a move into their "Taj Mahal" stadium in Inglewood in 2020. Need to sell lots of season tickets.
              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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              • feltdizz
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                • May 2008
                • 27531

                #22
                Originally posted by Oviedo
                Pats don't exactly have a great group of WRs right now. You have a wideout coming back from injury (Edelmann) and a TE who gets dinged up quite a bit.

                They can do a lot with their picks, but I think if you look at their history they aren't as good as we are at the top of the draft. They have had lots of misses
                Pats have shown they can move the ball with mediocre WR’s. It’s all about the dunk and dunk/mismatches they create due to formations and in game adjustments.

                Plus they have Brady.
                Steelers 27
                Rats 16

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                • RuthlessBurgher
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                  • May 2008
                  • 33208

                  #23
                  Last year, the Patriots gave up 1st and 3rd round picks for Brandin Cooks and a 4th round pick.

                  Because it was Belichick, folks said it was a brilliant move.

                  This year, the Patriots got back 1st and 6th round picks for Brandin Cooks and a 4th round pick.

                  Because it is Belichick, folks again say it is a brilliant move.
                  Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                  Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                  We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                  We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                  • RuthlessBurgher
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                    • May 2008
                    • 33208

                    #24
                    Trades make this year’s draft look very different in New England

                    Posted by Michael David Smith on April 4, 2018, 10:56 AM EDT

                    In the last couple of years, the Patriots have not had high draft picks. This year will be much different.

                    In 2016, New England forfeited its first-round pick because of Deflategate and moved down from the second-round pick it received in the Chandler Jones trade to acquire more picks in the later rounds. New England’s first pick that year was No. 60 overall.

                    In 2017, New England sent its first-round pick to New Orleans for Brandin Cooks and sent its second-round pick to Carolina for Kony Ealy. New England’s first pick that year was No. 83 overall.

                    This chart shows just how strikingly different the Patriots’ draft capital in recent years has been from other teams. In the last three drafts, the Patriots have had exactly one pick in the Top 59. Every other team in the NFL has had at least four, while most teams have had six or more.

                    This year, the Patriots have changed their approach. New England just acquired the 23rd overall pick by trading Cooks to the Rams, and New England still has its own first-round pick, No. 31 overall. The Patriots also have the 43rd overall pick from the 49ers, acquired in the Jimmy Garoppolo trade, and the Patriots still have their own second-round pick, No. 63 overall.

                    That means the Patriots can stockpile their roster with young, cheap talent after getting older and more expensive in recent years. There’s been some talk that the Patriots might make a move to draft Tom Brady‘s successor, but Brady is surely hoping they’ll instead use those picks to replace departures like Cooks, wide receiver Danny Amendola and left tackle Nate Solder. With those picks, the Patriots can try to put their roster over the top to win Super Bowl No. 6 with Brady.

                    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/04/trades-make-this-years-draft-look-very-different-in-new-england/
                    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                    • Steel Maniac
                      Banned
                      • Apr 2017
                      • 19472

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Oviedo
                      The Rams are in a win now mode. The NFC West is theirs for the taking.

                      I actually think their approach is a pretty smart strategy as they try to rebuild the fan enthusiasm in LA. If you don't have a winning product in LA you will lose the fans since they have the attention span of gnats.

                      Also keep in mind they are getting ready for a move into their "Taj Mahal" stadium in Inglewood in 2020. Need to sell lots of season tickets.
                      And a new stadium coming for them in two years, their trying to keep and build the momentum for that stadium too.

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                      • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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                        • May 2008
                        • 10281

                        #26
                        Originally posted by steeler_george
                        I think the Patriots just leap -frogged us going for either ILB or QB.

                        cooks and 4th for a 1st and 6th
                        Maybe a QB, but the Pats have two solid starters at ILB (Hightower and Van Noy). First round picks I can see them going for are QB, WR (Edelman, Hogan, Dorsett, Britt), LT (they lost Solder to FA), and TE if they trade away Gronk.

                        Other options RB, edge rusher, secondary help.
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                        • steeler_george
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 3417

                          #27
                          Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                          Maybe a QB, but the Pats have two solid starters at ILB (Hightower and Van Noy). First round picks I can see them going for are QB, WR (Edelman, Hogan, Dorsett, Britt), LT (they lost Solder to FA), and TE if they trade away Gronk.

                          Other options RB, edge rusher, secondary help.
                          You are probably right, I just remember last year's hightower less team...

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                          • Ernie
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                            • Aug 2013
                            • 8470

                            #28
                            Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                            Maybe a QB, but the Pats have two solid starters at ILB (Hightower and Van Noy). First round picks I can see them going for are QB, WR (Edelman, Hogan, Dorsett, Britt), LT (they lost Solder to FA), and TE if they trade away Gronk.

                            Other options RB, edge rusher, secondary help.
                            I thought they signed C. Patterson (WR) recently?

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                            • RuthlessBurgher
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                              • May 2008
                              • 33208

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Ernie
                              I thought they signed C. Patterson (WR) recently?
                              He's an excellent return man, but as a pure receiver, he really doesn't add much more than a Justin Hunter type would. Not a bad option for running a reverse, though.
                              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                              • Northern_Blitz
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                                • Dec 2008
                                • 24373

                                #30
                                Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                                Last year, the Patriots gave up 1st and 3rd round picks for Brandin Cooks and a 4th round pick.

                                Because it was Belichick, folks said it was a brilliant move.

                                This year, the Patriots got back 1st and 6th round picks for Brandin Cooks and a 4th round pick.

                                Because it is Belichick, folks again say it is a brilliant move.
                                I don't remember people saying that it was a brilliant move last year. I think I'd almost always value a 1st round pick higher than a UFA.

                                But if you look at both parts of this transaction, I think we'll see why people think the Pats have better management than everyone else:

                                Pats Gave Up-----------------Pats Gained
                                1st Round (2017)--------------1st Round (201
                                3rd Round (2017)--------------4th round (2017)
                                4th Round (201---------------6th Round (201
                                -------------------------------------1 Year of Brandon Cooks

                                Edit in gold because I can't read.

                                It doesn't look as good when you include the 4th rounder they gave up that I missed when I first wrote this.

                                Either way,
                                they don't know that the second part is going to happen when the execute the first trade so it's hard to lump stuff together like this. But, the fact that they're always looking, but never desperate means that they tend to make good deals.
                                Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 04-05-2018, 02:17 PM.

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