Derwin James

[steelz09]

A hypothetical question.

How far would Derwin James need to drop for you to trade up and draft him.

What would it cost?

We have a few years left with Ben. There is not a whole lot of starting opportunities on this team, even on defense. Would a guy like James, a potential generational talent like an Eric Berry be the guy that could help us win ring #7?

[pittpete]

Wow, good question...

[Steel Maniac]

A hypothetical question.

How far would Derwin James need to drop for you to trade up and draft him.

What would it cost?

We have a few years left with Ben. There is not a whole lot of starting opportunities on this team, even on defense. Would a guy like James, a potential generational talent like an Eric Berry be the guy that could help us win ring #7?

If he were truly indeed the second coming of Eric Berry, he could be that guy to get us over the hump I think.

[Steel Maniac]

But looking at all our other needs now,.........

There's no way we would make a move toward him even if he fell. Because our linebacker corps needs some major replenishment; especially when you consider the article about Dupree today. We need all our picks. We can't afford to trade any away to move up.

[Iron City Inc.]

But looking at all our other needs now,.........

There's no way we would make a move toward him even if he fell. Because our linebacker corps needs some major replenishment; especially when you consider the article about Dupree today. We need all our picks. We can't afford to trade any away to move up.

That's a good point but there is always a way. If we trade our 1 this year and our 1 next year it could be done. Now on draft value chart our 1 = 680 and if one believes we'll value our 1 next year at the same (even though we all know we're picking 32nd next year)
thats 1360. A pick as high as 15 = 1050 so it would likely need to be about that for a team to move out. Since they would have to wait on the value. It would be so not like us. Non Steeler like. That doesn't mean it won't happen but if past performance means anything it's the longest of long shots.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

As far as Swapping 1's & Martavis Bryant would get me.

[steelz09]

Yes, we have a big need at LB but I doubt double dipping at LB early is going to be as impactful as trading up for a guy like James.

Dupree and Watt are the OLB starters. I don't think Dupree is finished as a Steelers beyond next year and quite honestly, I blame a lot of his lack of development on Porter.

I think the Steelers liked Keion Adams before he got hurt. He provides some depth. We do need more depth but that can be done in the later rounds.

I'm not willing to give up on a Shazier return at some point. Possibly even 2019-2020 season.

We do need to invest an early pick at ILB regardless.

Point being, just looking at the numbers, I don't agree with investing even a couple of high to mid round picks at one position when there is a likelihood that 1 of them won't even make the roster.

[Captain Lemming]

I'm not willing to give up on a Shazier return at some point. Possibly even 2019-2020 season.
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I'm of the opinion that Shazier needs to let the game go. I DONT want him back for his own sake rather than taking the risk.
I know in the end its his call, but I hope he does the smart thing and move on to the next phase of his life.

[SS Laser]

Yes, we have a big need at LB but I doubt double dipping at LB early is going to be as impactful as trading up for a guy like James.

Dupree and Watt are the OLB starters. I don't think Dupree is finished as a Steelers beyond next year and quite honestly, I blame a lot of his lack of development on Porter.

I think the Steelers liked Keion Adams before he got hurt. He provides some depth. We do need more depth but that can be done in the later rounds.

I'm not willing to give up on a Shazier return at some point. Possibly even 2019-2020 season.

We do need to invest an early pick at ILB regardless.

Point being, just looking at the numbers, I don't agree with investing even a couple of high to mid round picks at one position when there is a likelihood that 1 of them won't even make the roster.

Please don't put Dupree's lack of growth only on Porter. He was said to be very raw. Has had injuries. Heck he worked out last offseason with a premium pass rush specialist. Which points back to Dupree holding back Dupree. Scheme also is a contributing factor IMO.

[Northern_Blitz]

That's a good point but there is always a way. If we trade our 1 this year and our 1 next year it could be done. Now on draft value chart our 1 = 680 and if one believes we'll value our 1 next year at the same (even though we all know we're picking 32nd next year)
thats 1360. A pick as high as 15 = 1050 so it would likely need to be about that for a team to move out. Since they would have to wait on the value. It would be so not like us. Non Steeler like. That doesn't mean it won't happen but if past performance means anything it's the longest of long shots.

I think that the only way I'd ever trade a 1st round pick from the next year would be if I was trading up to draft a guy I thought was a franchise QB.

Not having a 1st round pick is a huge price to pay. Especially for the Steelers who build through the draft and do not fill holes with big name UFAs.

[Northern_Blitz]

I'm of the opinion that Shazier needs to let the game go. I DONT want him back for his own sake rather than taking the risk.
I know in the end its his call, but I hope he does the smart thing and move on to the next phase of his life.

This is how I feel too. It's obviously his life and it seems like he wants to come back. But, I feel like the risk would be pretty big.

It's funny because I didn't feel the same way about Maddox. Maybe because I'm older now and have better respect for the fact that humans are breakable.

[Slapstick]

Maddox’s injury was also far less severe...he was up and walking around shortly after the injury...

[Shawn]

James has the ceiling of being a game changer in the way of Troy P. What would you give up for another crack at that kind of safety? First this year, first next...is within reason.

[Shawn]

I'm of the opinion that Shazier needs to let the game go. I DONT want him back for his own sake rather than taking the risk.
I know in the end its his call, but I hope he does the smart thing and move on to the next phase of his life.

I'll agree and disagree. I don't want Shazier back for his own sake. With that said, if he needs that dream to keep pushing himself to get better medically...I'm all for it. I would be aghast if any doc ever cleared him to play again.

[Shawn]

Maddox’s injury was also far less severe...he was up and walking around shortly after the injury...

Even then, Maddox was never the same QB. Mentally, he checked out. You could see fear in his game. And trust me...I don't blame him. I would have probably hung it up right then.