Fire Everyone

[Slapstick]

No, the HC bears responsibility...it’s just stupid to talk about firing him...

[Eddie Spaghetti]

I've never said fire him

just tiresome that some here act like he is above criticism

he isnt

[Slapstick]

I've never said fire him

just tiresome that some here act like he is above criticism

he isnt

Nope. Especially after a loss like yesterday...

The problem is when he is criticized and doesn’t deserve it...

Also, the very title of this thread is “Fire Everyone”.

[Terrapin]

Nope. Especially after a loss like yesterday...

The problem is when he is criticized and doesn’t deserve it...

Also, the very title of this thread is “Fire Everyone”.

Apparently to you, winning in the regular season is the most important thing. For others, it's winning championships. Tomlin has severely underachieved with all the talent he's had over the years. Forget pro bowlers and all pros. How many hall of famers has he had? There's arguably 3 or 4 on the team now. Yet he still can't get past a team like Jax. lol.

Add in all the other bull**** that happened this year under his watch (his interview, Bryant, Harrison, anthem fiasco, etc, etc). You tell me, why on earth shouldn't he be fired?

[Northern_Blitz]

Nope. Especially after a loss like yesterday...

The problem is when he is criticized and doesn’t deserve it...

Also, the very title of this thread is “Fire Everyone”.

This.

I think that Tomlin screwed up managing the clock against the Jags.

I think that the call for the sweep on 4th and inches sucked. Even if we've committed to not running QB sneaks, running wide against a fast D with a RB who isn't super fast probably wasn't a good call. I don't know if those play calls are Tomlin, Haley, or audibles by Ben.

In hindsight, we got burned by skimping on ILB depth. Not sure if this call is the FOs or Tomlin's. Also not sure what other choice we had. Timmons' contract was pretty expensive. So was Hightower's (and I think his visits to other teams was more about squeezing more out of the Pats than about really wanting to leave). We probably would have had to let Bell walk to bring in Hightower. I can't remember other options we had at ILB going into the season.

Ultimately, Tomlin is pretty much the same as Cowher. He is among the best coaches in the league, but not the best coach in the league. He consistently puts together a team that's very competitive. That is what the FO wants. If you're consistently in the dance they you will win more than most.

In this game, the Jags just match up well against us (kind of like how we match up well against the Chiefs). They also gambled on trusting Bortles early and it worked. He did a great job finding the open guy (did anyone on that first drive any anyone within 5 yards of them when they caught it?). They had the right game plan and executed very well. They also didn't turn the ball over. And the refs let them play so there were few big mistakes via penalties. If the argument is that the D game plan was the reason that we lost, I don't think that the biggest share of the blame should be on the head coach as I'd imagine that the DC puts that game plan together.

[Steel Maniac]

there you go again absolving the head coach of any responsibility

Why do you refer to Tomlin as "head coach"?? A real head coach has the power to hire and fire his staff. Tomlin is a caretaker. He's not a real head coach. That's why players like Le'veon Bell say anything because they don't fear Tomlin because Tomlin doesn't have any real power.


That's why Mike Mitchell was doing all that talking because Tomlin has no real power. Do you think Le'veon would be talking about next year's contract in the playoffs if Belichick was his coach? I rest my case.

[fordfixer]

The Jags didn’t put up 30 points on the defense when Shazier was playing. The Jags scored 14 points off of interception returns. At most, the Jags scored 16 with Shazier playing. Which, in my mind, is incredible...considering that the Jags intercepted 3 additional passes that day...

Ok thank for clearing that up for me.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

one person I would definitely fire is Joey porter

I believe he is basically a cheerleader and they need someone in that spot who can coach these high level picks to their potential

hasn't gotten squat out if Jarvis or Dupree and would be a shame to watch watt flounder

[feltdizz]

Why do you refer to Tomlin as "head coach"?? A real head coach has the power to hire and fire his staff. Tomlin is a caretaker. He's not a real head coach. That's why players like Le'veon Bell say anything because they don't fear Tomlin because Tomlin doesn't have any real power.


That's why Mike Mitchell was doing all that talking because Tomlin has no real power. Do you think Le'veon would be talking about next year's contract in the playoffs if Belichick was his coach? I rest my case.

This is actually somewhat true. Some HC's are also the GM but plenty of HC's aren't in charge of hiring and firing their staff.

Anyone the Steelers hire as HC won't get the power most of you crave.

and again, it's to the point I think some of you just need to become NE fans cause this obsession with using them in every comparison is getting old. lol

[papillon]

This is actually somewhat true. Some HC's are also the GM but plenty of HC's aren't in charge of hiring and firing their staff.

Anyone the Steelers hire as HC won't get the power most of you crave.

and again, it's to the point I think some of you just need to become NE fans cause this obsession with using them in every comparison is getting old. lol

With the collection of talent over the past 10 years that the Steelers have accumulated, how do you think Belechick, Patricia and McDaniel would have done? That's always where I go, maybe they don't do any better, but the results out Foxboro tell me otherwise. I think that's why we keep looking to Foxboro as the comparison, deep down in our hearts we all believe that Bill Belichick would have won more Super Bowls and, in particular, this year.

Pappy

[NorthCoast]

This is actually somewhat true. Some HC's are also the GM but plenty of HC's aren't in charge of hiring and firing their staff.

Anyone the Steelers hire as HC won't get the power most of you crave.

and again, it's to the point I think some of you just need to become NE fans cause this obsession with using them in every comparison is getting old. lol

Pete Carroll had that power for a few years in SEA but it wasn't sustainable. There is just too much to handle these days of free agency and salary cap for one person. Now look at SEA since he relinquished some responsibilities... haven't sniffed a SB since.

[feltdizz]

Pete Carroll had that power for a few years in SEA but it wasn't sustainable. There is just too much to handle these days of free agency and salary cap for one person. Now look at SEA since he relinquished some responsibilities... haven't sniffed a SB since.

It’s hard to do both. I guess it can work well since the players know you can ship them out of town in the first going smoking BUT when contracts get funny, players hold out, it can really divide a locker room.

Seems like a lot of coaches who shared that GM role always ended up being stripped of it more times than not.

I also think you you have to want that responsibility and I can see how a coach wouldn’t want to deal with contracts and FO stuff.