Tomlin that was

[SteelerOfDeVille]

kick it deep and you have 2 timeouts plus the 2 min warning......
I mean i understand he has no faith in the defense but thats a head scratcher

Pete, I usually agree with you strategy-wise, but, you're dead wrong there.

You kick it deep if the other team had scored 10 and you're trailing 10-7 and your defense has done a reasonable job of stopping them. When you've given up 45, you onside kick - what makes you think you're going to stop them.

The big problem was the crappy kick, assisted by the penalty.

For all the coaching faults of this game, THAT wasn't one of them. Wasn't even close.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

On the on-sides kick series - the D DID get the stop. That’s why they kicked the FG. Would have been a punt if they had kicked deep. The D stopping them was statistically way more probable than a successful on-sides kick.

Worst decision of Tomlin’s career. Multiple time outs and the 2 minute warning. Had to kick it deep. Had to.

you can't assume the offense runs the same plays as they would've DEEP as compared to already in FG range. C'mon Ghost, you know better. That's just frustration talking. They were content taking their 3 and sealing the game.

Of all the bad decisions, I personally woulda kicked the FG after the 10-second run-off, then onside kicked. Coaches don't do that, but, at least you have a chance for a Hail Mary if you get it.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

That's just it.

Jax would run the ball 3 times and exhaust our timeouts. Assuming the ball is around the 20 and they kick it 45 yards they would've settled for a 65 yard with no timeouts with their strongest side of the ball, the Defense.

Fact is they could play those % simply because a TD results in only a tie.

brothervad

you guys act like they hadn't trusted bortles all game... the TD to the fullback was a pass that NONE of us saw coming, but, they trusted the hell outta him. they DID let bortles throw in key situations y'day and he delivered, time and time again... which is exactly why you DO onside kick there.

[Ernie]

Deville... you don't think the JAGS philosophy would have been the same had we kicked it deep?

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Deville... you don't think the JAGS philosophy would have been the same had we kicked it deep?

They certainly would have run on the first 2.

I ABSOLUTELY could have seen a "we can WIN this with a safe pass" attempt on 3rd down. But, being in FG range, there's no point in even considering that.

[Ernie]

They certainly would have run on the first 2.

I ABSOLUTELY could have seen a "we can WIN this with a safe pass" attempt on 3rd down. But, being in FG range, there's no point in even considering that.

So it comes down to stopping a 3rd and medium to 3rd and long pass play. I like those odds better than recovering an on side kick (orchestrated by a piss poor special teams coach).

[Moonie]

The fourth down calls had me going Huh?, but I can't recall many other terrible calls, with this much on the line, like that onside kick - absolutely idiotic, for all the reason expressed so far, and probably more. And I'm usually a Tomlin fan, although this may change my perception of him quite a bit.

[Ernie]

The fourth down calls had me going Huh?, but I can't recall many other terrible calls, with this much on the line, like that onside kick - absolutely idiotic, for all the reason expressed so far, and probably more. And I'm usually a Tomlin fan, although this may change my perception of him quite a bit.

Probably the worst game of his career... and Im not talking only about the "In game" decision making. Everything leading up to this game also deserves an "F" grade..

WTF is Butler thinking? Did we seriously not know what their game plan was? This reeks of the AFCC game last year... running that zone D vs Brady.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

So it comes down to stopping a 3rd and medium to 3rd and long pass play. I like those odds better than recovering an on side kick (orchestrated by a piss poor special teams coach).

I'm confused. if first and second woulda been he same, how did you just change the yardage needed on 3rd? lol

anyway, you realize that Jacksonville had 22 first downs to just 4 punts. They had converted OVER 61% of third downs leading up to that drive. Odds were VERY stacked against our team for stopping them either way. Which is exactly why I'd have tried to get the ball rather than just giving it to them.

[Moonie]

I'm confused. if first and second woulda been he same, how did you just change the yardage needed on 3rd? lol

anyway, you realize that Jacksonville had 22 first downs to just 4 punts. They had converted OVER 61% of third downs leading up to that drive. Odds were VERY stacked against our team for stopping them either way. Which is exactly why I'd have tried to get the ball rather than just giving it to them.

You don't appear to understand what a desperate low percentage play an onside kick is. And the stats you cite for Jags 3rd downs supports kicking it to them.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

i cant wrap my mind around people defending that onsides kick decision

was probably the dumbest decision I've ever seen MT make

[SteelerOfDeVille]

i cant wrap my mind around people defending that onsides kick decision

was probably the dumbest decision I've ever seen MT make

the funniest thin about it is, i keep thinking, "gosh, this is like trying to explain calculus to a 1st grader... non-football minds just don't get it, so why waste my time"

[Eddie Spaghetti]

the idea there should be to try and lengthen the game not shorten it

MT lived in his fears and it bit him in the ass

[SteelerOfDeVille]

You don't appear to understand what a desperate low percentage play an onside kick is. And the stats you cite for Jags 3rd downs supports kicking it to them.

quite the opposite. let's call it 15%...you kick it deep and you have 0% on that play of getting the ball.

Either way, I'd still have to stop them 3 and out.

It wasn't the decision -- the difference is the crappy kick (and penalty)... minus those 2, they're NOT in FG range...

[Eich]

i cant wrap my mind around people defending that onsides kick decision

was probably the dumbest decision I've ever seen MT make

Eh, I don't think it's the dumbest. I can wrap my mind around it. I wouldn't have done it. But the decision tells you that Tomlin had completely given up on his defense's ability to get a stop. He was convinced they couldn't do it with the game on the line. And that's sad. But if that's the case, the only other option he had was to keep their offense off the field. It was a desperation move in a desperate time.