Bell could sit out next year

[Captain Lemming]

i hope he blows out an acl on the last play of the super bowl after crossing the goal line to win it

THIS is precisely why I hate having you on my side in a debate.

[Captain Lemming]

RGIII?

Why not use players like Peyton Manning, Brees, Brady, etc as examples of teams mortgaging away their future?

Bell is a top 3 RB in the league but you guys use examples like Flacco and RGIII to make a point?

"You guys"?
Is EVERYONE using RG3 as their example?

I used Adrian Peterson as an example. Please share your counter argument for that WHOLLY APPROPRIATE example.

[Ernie]

"You guys"?
Is EVERYONE using RG3 as their example?

I used Adrian Peterson as an example. Please share your counter argument for that WHOLLY APPROPRIATE example.

I used RGIII as an example of "That team" that would do something stupid to mortgage away their future. I am sure there are a few teams out there that would break the bank to sign Bell. I am hoping we are not one of them.

[Captain Lemming]

I used RGIII as an example of "That team" that would do something stupid to mortgage away their future. I am sure there are a few teams out there that would break the bank to sign Bell. I am hoping we are not one of them.

I understand your point. But understand his point. Dizz's counter is that you selectively chose the example of a failed QB instead of the boatload of time the big contract was money well spent. In my view using THAT example obscures the point we are both trying to make.

Fact is we are not talking quarterbacks here period. Quarterback is the one position worth breaking the bank over when it is the right guy.

My point is that NO RUNNING BACK has that kind of value over his peers. You don't win championships because you paid a runningback.

Thus AP is a better example as he is the last RB who got a deal far in excess of the market.

[Captain Lemming]

pretty much the same amount as he was offered but spread the guaranteed money over a few more years instead of front loading the deal. I really think it’s not the amount as much as it is the protection of the guaranteed money.

Look at what you wrote, consider under what circumstances this would matter, and THEN you will know why that kind of deal is stupid from the teams perspective.

[Ernie]

I understand your point. But understand his point. Dizz's counter is that you selectively chose the example of a failed QB instead of the boatload of time the big contract was money well spent. In my view using THAT example obscures the point we are both trying to make.

Fact is we are not talking quarterbacks here period. Quarterback is the one position worth breaking the bank over when it is the right guy.

My point is that NO RUNNING BACK has that kind of value over his peers. You don't win championships because you paid a runningback.

Thus AP is a better example as he is the last RB who got a deal far in excess of the market.

I understand Dizz's point. I guess I should have cited other examples of teams "Overreaching" to support my case. For as many "Boatload as you'd call it" contracts that are "Well spent"...there are just as many that are not....regardless of position.

[Shoe]

I understand Dizz's point. I guess I should have cited other examples of teams "Overreaching" to support my case. For as many "Boatload as you'd call it" contracts that are "Well spent"...there are just as many that are not....regardless of position.

The question then, is value.

Are these boatload guys market value when it comes to elite at that position? With Bell AFAIK, his current paycheck already is head and shoulders above everyone else, and his current demand almost doubles the second highest (Devonta).

You don't want to set the market, you want to pay market value.

[Ernie]

The question then, is value.

Are these boatload guys market value when it comes to elite at that position? With Bell AFAIK, his current paycheck already is head and shoulders above everyone else, and his current demand almost doubles the second highest (Devonta).

You don't want to set the market, you want to pay market value.

I agree. If Bell ends up getting what he's asking... an appropriate term would be "Exponential" in terms of the increase over market value.

[Ernie]

I tell ya what I like "In terms of value"... look at Engram and Kamara's combined all purpose yards this year for the Saints. I'd be curious to know what kind of money N.O has tied up in that production for the year.

[Captain Lemming]

I tell ya what I like "In terms of value"... look at Engram and Kamara's combined all purpose yards this year for the Saints. I'd be curious to know what kind of money N.O has tied up in that production for the year.

Great example.
Despite Engram having a top 10 cap hit by himself, COMBINED their cap hit is less than HALF of Bell's hit.

New Orleans RB'S best Steeler backs in EVERY CONCEIVABLE CATEGORY including receiving.

Kamara leads all runningbacks in receiving yards, including Bell. Ingram has 400 plus as well.

[Slapstick]

I think I might rather pay Dion Lewis $5 million and use the rest of the money so they don’t have to restructure contracts...and have Lewis split time with Conner...maybe...

[feltdizz]

Great example.
Despite Engram having a top 10 cap hit by himself, COMBINED their cap hit is less than HALF of Bell's hit.

New Orleans RB'S best Steeler backs in EVERY CONCEIVABLE CATEGORY including receiving.

Kamara leads all runningbacks in receiving yards, including Bell. Ingram has 400 plus as well.

How did you feel about Kamara before the draft? It’s easy to use the best example of a RB duo but you have to find it.

[feltdizz]

I think I might rather pay Dion Lewis $5 million and use the rest of the money so they don’t have to restructure contracts...and have Lewis split time with Conner...maybe...

How is Conner’s rehab going?

[winwithd]

I think I might rather pay Dion Lewis $5 million and use the rest of the money so they don’t have to restructure contracts...and have Lewis split time with Conner...maybe...

Is Lewis going to be a free agent? What if Bell ends up with the Cheats?

[Mr.wizard]

David Johnson, Leveon Bell, Todd gurley, Alvin Kamara, will all be high paid guys. That Market value is about to shoot through the roof, so you have to look to the future of the position instead of the past, will it be worth it to pay Bell now or will you end up over paying for a lesser player when the market goes up.