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  • SanAntonioSteelerFan
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 8361

    Labriola: Raven's D better than **s

    Great article! From Bob Labriola, Steelers app 12/11/2017:

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    They clinched a division title, for the seventh time in Mike Tomlin’s 11 seasons as their coach, and with it a berth in the playoffs and a home game to open the playoffs. The division title they clinched was their 23rd since the 1970 NFL-AFL merger and the playoff berth they clinched was their 30th, and no other NFL franchise has as many in either category during those 48 seasons. It was their eighth win in a row this season, their fifth in five games against teams from their division, their third in a row against these same Baltimore Ravens dating back to Christmas Day 2016, and it raised their 2017 record to 11-2.


    The Steelers’ 39-38 victory last night at Heinz Field checked off a lot of boxes in terms of accomplishments, and it also showed them something. It showed them how they are going to have to play to beat the New England Patriots.

    Yes indeed, the next opponent on the Steelers’ schedule is the New England Patriots, and Round 1 of a heavyweight fight expected to go two rounds will be staged next Sunday right here at Heinz Field. Assuming the Patriots take care of business against the Miami Dolphins tonight, Steelers-Patriots I will determine the site for Steelers-Patriots II, which will determine the AFC’s representative in Super Bowl LII.


    In spite of all the wailing and gnashing of teeth when Mike Tomlin made that very point a few weeks ago in an interview with Tony Dungy that aired before the Steelers’ game against the Packers – oh no, they’re looking ahead instead of taking them one game at a time – things have turned out precisely as he predicted they would. The Steelers haven’t lost a game since that interview, and neither have the Patriots, which sets up next Sunday as Part 1 of something that has seemed inevitable since the NFL released this regular season schedule back in April.

    Throughout Steelers Nation in fact, this game was circled even before anyone knew what the date was going to be, because while the loss in last season’s AFC Championship Game stung quite a bit, the fact the defeat was the Steelers’ third one to the same team in the same round of the playoffs so far this century has become unbearable. And so as Steelers fans were so busy chastising Tomlin for acknowledging the elephant in the room a couple of weeks early, they themselves had been feeding that same elephant peanuts by the bushel for nearly a calendar year.

    But none of that really matters now, because the game is at hand, and in the Steelers’ case, neither the Packers, Bengals, nor the Ravens interfered with their storyline, and it seems very unlikely that Dolphins will blacken the Patriots’ eye on their way to Pittsburgh for next weekend.

    So, let’s get to it.

    A common mistake made when approaching a game against the Patriots, and let’s be honest, the Patriots are only the Patriots because of their quarterback. Without Tom Brady, Bill Belichick is a fine coach; but with Brady, Belichick becomes a guy who’s in every conversation that’s had about the best in the business. So, let’s clarify:

    A common mistake made when approaching a game against the Patriots is that too much emphasis is put on stopping Tom Brady instead of looking at the bigger picture, which is how to beat Brady’s team. Steelers fans are notorious for making this mistake, maybe because they have come to believe too literally in the axiom that defense wins championships. Yes, defense is important, but it should be understood that while defense is important you’re not going to win this game, 13-10. Not over a team quarterbacked by Tom Brady.

    Belichick’s Patriots always get a lot of credit for strategy and game plans and adjustments, for a lot of the mystical elements fans embrace as they try to turn football into chess. But their recipe for success is simple, and it has been consistent for all of the 17 seasons Tom Brady has been their starting quarterback. Which boils down to: try to create a lull for the opponent in the early stages of the game, maybe for only a couple of series, and then depend on using your offensive possessions during said lull to build a lead that forces the opponent into a game within the game, called “keeping up with Tom Brady.”

    In that game within the game, Brady becomes almost unbeatable, because he makes such quick decisions on where to go with the football, and it’s out of his hand so quickly and his throws are so accurate and the Patriots have enough weapons with which they can spread the field that stopping it becomes an impossible task. No, what the Steelers need to do next Sunday is beat the Patriots at their own game.


    Beating the Patriots at their own game means scoring early and often, and touchdowns instead of field goals. Put New England’s offense in the uncomfortable position of having to match score for score, and then keep up the pressure. Make Brady play from behind instead of with a multi-score lead. Make Brady have to take chances with the football. Make Brady hold the ball a little longer to allow his receivers to run deeper routes, because deeper routes are necessary when the scoreboard is telling you the yards have to come in chunks. Make Brady beat your offense instead of allowing him to pick apart your defense.

    The Baltimore Ravens have a better defense than New England, much better and much more physical, even when Belichick’s evil genius is factored in, and the Steelers ran 85 plays and put up 545 yards and converted 67 percent on third down and 75 percent in the red zone and owned a six-and-a-half-minute edge in time of possession and didn’t turn the ball over along the way to posting a 39-38 victory last night in clinching the AFC North Division title.

    Ben Roethlisberger-to-Antonio Brownwas unstoppable, and Le’Veon Bell scored three touchdowns rushing and receiving. But it was more than just a three-man job, because Jesse James had 97 yards receiving; Martavis Bryant, Eli Rogers, and Vance McDonald combined for another 118 yards receiving; and Rosie Nix caught a touchdown pass. The Steelers scored the first 14 points of the game and the last 10 points of the game.

    Now, it goes without saying that some of the defensive gaffes that also were a part of the game against the Ravens will have to be cleaned up, but this was the Steelers’ first outing without Ryan Shazier, a dynamic defensive player for all situations, and absorbing his absence and parceling out his responsibilities should prove to be less of a shock the more games they have to do that.

    Make no mistake, Brady will take advantage of their Shazier-less defense, and the advantage he takes will end up on the scoreboard more than once. When it happens, and it inevitably will because Brady is that good, the Steelers should be able to call upon a no-blink mentality they have been perfecting during weeks and weeks of being in down-to-the-wire football games.


    About this no-blink mentality, Tomlin said, “It’s understanding that there are going to be ups and downs within a football game, and it’s less about what happens and more about how you respond to it. It’s important, the choice of words there – “respond” as opposed to “react.” This is a group that understands the element of that discussion, and it’s displayed in how they play. They don’t ride the emotional roller coaster. They’re always moving on to the next play, they understand that as long as there’s time on that clock we have an opportunity to turn the tide if the tide needs to be turned.”

    That’s how the Steelers can beat the Patriots. With their offense. Just like they did to the Ravens.
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    We are totally hosed on defense unless our D line gets its collective head out of its *flower*, and even then a defense starting Sean Spence is in all likelihood going to result in many broken TV screens for the rest of the season.

    But if we can score points against the **s like we did against the Rats last night - I really think we not just show up for LII in Mnpls in February, we will fly home with Lombardi #7.


    We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

    HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!
  • feltdizz
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 27531

    #2
    The problem is the Pats D is better than the Ravens when they play us. We have to get 7 when we play the Pats. Ben has to utilize his TE's and move the chains when AB is tripled. JuJu is probably going to be the difference. I would love it if MB woke up next week but dude has been in a haze all year. There has to be some type of vape he can hit before the game that is like weed but legal.
    Steelers 27
    Rats 16

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    • papillon
      Legend
      • Mar 2008
      • 11340

      #3
      Originally posted by feltdizz
      The problem is the Pats D is better than the Ravens when they play us. We have to get 7 when we play the Pats. Ben has to utilize his TE's and move the chains when AB is tripled. JuJu is probably going to be the difference. I would love it if MB woke up next week but dude has been in a haze all year. There has to be some type of vape he can hit before the game that is like weed but legal.
      Unfortunately, anything positive we get out of MB is going to be a bonus from now until the season ends. He should be taken off of the kickoff return team, putting the offense inside the 15 yard line isn't where you want them to start drives. As far as routes go, unless, he's running a fly or skinny post opposite AB, keep him on the bench, he's a liability, IMO, his head just isn't into the game. Maybe that will change but this isn't the time to find out, next training camp is the time to find out.

      Defensively, they need to put their best LBs on the field period. From what I have seen the past 4 weeks, Bud Dupree isn't one of them. If the scheme is dropping into coverage more, then change the scheme a bit so that Harrison can get on the field, along with Watt and Williams. The other ILB position might be a combo of a true ILB and a safety, sprinkle in the other guys as needed. Dupree was no where to be found in the running game last night. In the past 4 games he has 6 tackles, 2 assists and 1 sack, Harrison can produce that much even at 39 years old.

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      • SteelerOfDeVille
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 9069

        #4
        But, the ***s O is better than the Ravens, too... that's usually the difference - we can't stop them.

        Frankly, I'm expecting a loss - the Steelers pass D is very different (less aggressive) without Joe Haden. I honestly think that him being there come playoff time will make the difference. And him NOT being there now will make the difference in THIS game, too.

        Frankly, if i had to choose ONE, i'd take the playoff game... lol
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        • SanAntonioSteelerFan
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 8361

          #5
          Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
          But, the ***s O is better than the Ravens, too... that's usually the difference - we can't stop them.

          Frankly, I'm expecting a loss - the Steelers pass D is very different (less aggressive) without Joe Haden. I honestly think that him being there come playoff time will make the difference. And him NOT being there now will make the difference in THIS game, too.

          Frankly, if i had to choose ONE, i'd take the playoff game... lol
          Yup, pretty likely scenario.

          Then again our 4th qrtr finish last night was pretty unlikely, so you never know!


          We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

          HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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          • feltdizz
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 27531

            #6
            Did Forte get on the field? I liked what I saw from him in preseason. I think he needs to get a hat.
            Steelers 27
            Rats 16

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            • Slapstick
              Rookie
              • May 2008
              • 0

              #7
              MB had 6 catches last night, several for first downs...

              While he isn’t what he was, he did his part (on offense) to help the team win...
              Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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              • Steel Maniac
                Banned
                • Apr 2017
                • 19472

                #8
                Originally posted by feltdizz
                The problem is the Pats D is better than the Ravens when they play us. We have to get 7 when we play the Pats. Ben has to utilize his TE's and move the chains when AB is tripled. JuJu is probably going to be the difference. I would love it if MB woke up next week but dude has been in a haze all year. There has to be some type of vape he can hit before the game that is like weed but legal.
                The Pats defense is better IN THE RED ZONE! Once we get down there, we have to get touchdowns. Not field goals. We are going to need at least 4 TD's and 2-3 field goals to win. And that might not be enough if our defense doesn't step up.

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                • ikestops85
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 3724

                  #9
                  We bring in Harrison as the right defensive end. Move to the 4-3 for the game with TJ, Vince and Bud as our linebackers. We use James and Tuitt as the defensive ends and Javon and Cam as the defensive tackles. Those 4 will have to get pressure on Brady. Especially Javon and Cam up the middle. We mix up are scheme between man and zone with some backers watching for the short crossing routes run by their midgets. We do have to tackle the catch ... no YAC for them.

                  Then have Ben throw it 70 times if that's what it takes with a few draws thrown in for good measure.
                  As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

                  but Go Steelers!!!

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                  • fordfixer
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 10921

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                    The Pats defense is better IN THE RED ZONE! Once we get down there, we have to get touchdowns. Not field goals. We are going to need at least 4 TD's and 2-3 field goals to win. And that might not be enough if our defense doesn't step up.
                    Isn’t the Bumgals red zone D one of the best?? Thought I heard them say that last Monday night of course it was hard to hear anything over all the sucking up the announcers were doing to Burfict

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                    • Oviedo
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 23824

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ikestops85
                      We bring in Harrison as the right defensive end. Move to the 4-3 for the game with TJ, Vince and Bud as our linebackers. We use James and Tuitt as the defensive ends and Javon and Cam as the defensive tackles. Those 4 will have to get pressure on Brady. Especially Javon and Cam up the middle. We mix up are scheme between man and zone with some backers watching for the short crossing routes run by their midgets. We do have to tackle the catch ... no YAC for them.

                      Then have Ben throw it 70 times if that's what it takes with a few draws thrown in for good measure.
                      Did you say 4-3. Music to my ears.

                      In that alignment, Javon and Cam need to penetrate up the middle and disrupt the run blocking and force Brady to start moving
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                      • Slapstick
                        Rookie
                        • May 2008
                        • 0

                        #12
                        21 years ago, Keith Butler was the Memphis DC and the architect of a surprise 3-4 defense that caught the Tennessee Volunteers (led by one Peyton Manning) completely off guard, leading to an upset.

                        If Butler pulls a surprise 4-3 out of his hat to beat the Pats**, I might just lose it...
                        Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                        • Starlifter
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 5078

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Slapstick
                          21 years ago, Keith Butler was the Memphis DC and the architect of a surprise 3-4 defense that caught the Tennessee Volunteers (led by one Peyton Manning) completely off guard, leading to an upset.

                          If Butler pulls a surprise 4-3 out of his hat to beat the Pats**, I might just lose it...
                          i'm torn. if he indeed is thinking that way - i'd prefer surprises to come in the playoffs.

                          in my fantasy, our offense explodes for a 40 burger - we physically beat them up in a week and walk away with a win. Then (much like Rocky fighting with his right hand) in the playoffs we come out with something they've never seen from us, catch them off guard and have them guessing and trying to keep up the whole game.

                          but we'll probably just stick with what got us here........
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                          • NorthCoast
                            Legend
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 26636

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan
                            Yup, pretty likely scenario.

                            Then again our 4th qrtr finish last night was pretty unlikely, so you never know!
                            Very unlikely Brady gets sacked on that last play. Actually very likely he completes the earlier long pass to Maclin with a perfect pass.... game over. These are the differences that tip in favor of NE.
                            That being said, I honestly would just like to see the defense knock TB around during the game, even if PIT is on the losing end.

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                            • winwithd
                              Starter
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 895

                              #15
                              [QUOTE=papillon;710379]Unfortunately, anything positive we get out of MB is going to be a bonus from now until the season ends. He should be taken off of the kickoff return team, putting the offense inside the 15 yard line isn't where you want them to start drives.

                              I think Danny Smith should be taken off ST. Wtf has he contributed to this team. We are near the bottom in nearly every ST category. The only thing that's been good about ST this year has been Boz. We have a clutch kicker. Danny-boy can't really screw that up.

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