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  • fordfixer
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 10921

    Coach T, on the Secondary “We got some work to do “

    PITTSBURGH STEELERS
    Mike Tomlin on Steelers' secondary: 'We got some work to do
    By Lauren Kirschman lkirschman@pennlive.com
    PITTSBURGH -- Coach Mike Tomlin said it was irrelevant, whether the explosion plays the Steelers have allowed stem from poor individual play or miscommunication. What he meant is that both are the cause -- and there are more problems, too.

    In a 31-28 victory over the Green Bay Packers, the Steelers allowed touchdown passes of 39, 54 and 55 yards. Those three plays not only made up 21 of Green Bay's 28 points, but 148 of its 227 passing yards.

    After the game, Pittsburgh's secondary offered several explanations, stemming from lack of discipline to confusion to its aggression. Asked about it on Tuesday, Tomlin said it's not just physical errors causing the problem.

    "It's above the neck ball because these plays are occurring in situations where we have clues: Game situations, down and distance, field position," Tomlin said. "Communication aids in that area as we all prepare and look at ways in which people can attack us."


    Tomlin also said there's a collective responsibility for the mistakes. While one player might get beat on a play, that's not where the issue starts.

    "If we're all doing a good job of communicating information that we know based on preparation and sharing that information within the group," Tomlin said, "we have the opportunity to help individuals that may lack information."

    Over the past three games, the Steelers have allowed splash plays in the same situation. Their last three opponents have scored on their first drive of the second half on touchdown passes of 61, 75 and 55 yards, respectively.

    "In game preparation, you look at how people produce explosion plays and usually there's a pattern," Tomlin said. "Sometimes, you get hit by the unforeseen and you adjust and you coach and you move forward. But when you get hit by known issues, it's troublesome. So, we got some work to do."


    Tomlin also said the issues don't stem from the loss of Joe Haden, who is out with a broken fibula. He said he expects the same level of play from the players on the field.

    That includes cornerback Artie Burns, who's been beat on several of the big yardage plays, including the Packers' 39-yard touchdown on Sunday. Burns being targeted isn't anything new, Tomlin said.

    "Artie's a young corner," Tomlin said. "They've been throwing at him since he's been in the lineup, second half of last year, all of this year. That's what people do, they go after young corners."

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  • Ernie
    Legend
    • Aug 2013
    • 8470

    #2
    Originally posted by fordfixer
    PITTSBURGH STEELERS
    Mike Tomlin on Steelers' secondary: 'We got some work to do
    By Lauren Kirschman lkirschman@pennlive.com
    PITTSBURGH -- Coach Mike Tomlin said it was irrelevant, whether the explosion plays the Steelers have allowed stem from poor individual play or miscommunication. What he meant is that both are the cause -- and there are more problems, too.

    In a 31-28 victory over the Green Bay Packers, the Steelers allowed touchdown passes of 39, 54 and 55 yards. Those three plays not only made up 21 of Green Bay's 28 points, but 148 of its 227 passing yards.

    After the game, Pittsburgh's secondary offered several explanations, stemming from lack of discipline to confusion to its aggression. Asked about it on Tuesday, Tomlin said it's not just physical errors causing the problem.

    "It's above the neck ball because these plays are occurring in situations where we have clues: Game situations, down and distance, field position," Tomlin said. "Communication aids in that area as we all prepare and look at ways in which people can attack us."


    Tomlin also said there's a collective responsibility for the mistakes. While one player might get beat on a play, that's not where the issue starts.

    "If we're all doing a good job of communicating information that we know based on preparation and sharing that information within the group," Tomlin said, "we have the opportunity to help individuals that may lack information."

    Over the past three games, the Steelers have allowed splash plays in the same situation. Their last three opponents have scored on their first drive of the second half on touchdown passes of 61, 75 and 55 yards, respectively.

    "In game preparation, you look at how people produce explosion plays and usually there's a pattern," Tomlin said. "Sometimes, you get hit by the unforeseen and you adjust and you coach and you move forward. But when you get hit by known issues, it's troublesome. So, we got some work to do."


    Tomlin also said the issues don't stem from the loss of Joe Haden, who is out with a broken fibula. He said he expects the same level of play from the players on the field.

    That includes cornerback Artie Burns, who's been beat on several of the big yardage plays, including the Packers' 39-yard touchdown on Sunday. Burns being targeted isn't anything new, Tomlin said.

    "Artie's a young corner," Tomlin said. "They've been throwing at him since he's been in the lineup, second half of last year, all of this year. That's what people do, they go after young corners."

    "Tomlin also said the issues don't stem from the loss of Joe Haden, who is out with a broken fibula. He said he expects the same level of play from the players on the field."

    Anyone buying this?

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    • Slapstick
      Rookie
      • May 2008
      • 0

      #3
      No, of course not. Tomlin just won’t use Haden’s injury as an excuse.
      Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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      • feltdizz
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 27531

        #4
        Originally posted by Ernie
        "Tomlin also said the issues don't stem from the loss of Joe Haden, who is out with a broken fibula. He said he expects the same level of play from the players on the field."

        Anyone buying this?
        Everything Tomlin says is a fact!

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        • RuthlessBurgher
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 33208

          #5
          “No clarity” on when Joe Haden might return

          Posted by Josh Alper on November 29, 2017, 6:32 AM EST

          When Steelers cornerback Joe Haden fractured his fibula earlier this month, PFT reported that he could miss only three weeks before being well enough to return to action.

          This Sunday will mark three weeks since Haden’s injury and Haden will not play against the Bengals. Coach Mike Tomlin didn’t say whether that would change in Week 14 against the Ravens or for the Week 15 game against the Patriots that Tomlin has his eyes on.

          “No clarity on his situation and when he’ll return,” Tomlin said, via the Pittsburth Tribune-Review. “As we get close, I’ll ask more definitive questions about where he is.”

          The Steelers gave up a pair of deep touchdown passes to Packers wideouts last Sunday and a 75-yard score by Rishard Matthews in a Week 11 win over the Titans, so they could use some tightening up in the back end of the defense.

          http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/29/no-clarity-on-when-joe-haden-might-return/
          Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

          Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

          We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

          We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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          • NorthCoast
            Legend
            • Sep 2008
            • 26636

            #6
            What coach T is saying "the smart guys have to help out the dumb ones cause the defense is only as good as the weakest link".

            i agree but also think the Steelers need to reevaluate their draft strategy and avoid dumb players at skill positions.

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            • Eich
              Legend
              • Jul 2010
              • 7043

              #7
              Originally posted by NorthCoast
              What coach T is saying "the smart guys have to help out the dumb ones cause the defense is only as good as the weakest link".

              i agree but also think the Steelers need to reevaluate their draft strategy and avoid dumb players at skill positions.
              NFL Network did a piece on Jimmy Johnson. They showed him out on his boat in retirement talking to Bill Belichick. Jimmy said that if it's one lesson he learned, it was to always draft the smartest guys. Belichick agreed and said that Jimmy drove that point home to him and he goes after players who can learn. Jimmy said that he can teach and reason with someone who has smarts. An athletic guy who can't learn can't be reasoned with.

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              • Ghost
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 6338

                #8
                Don't look for Haden help anytime soon. This was posted in the PGH Post-Gazette last night:

                Steelers cornerback Joe Haden is making progress with his fractured fibula, but the Steelers will keep him out of the next two games as a precaution. Haden will be reevaluated after the Ravens game in two weeks because the Steelers are fearful he might re-injure his leg if he returns too soon.

                The earliest Haden could return is the Dec. 17 game against New England though that is a long shot.
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                • feltdizz
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 27531

                  #9
                  I want Haden for the second time around. I’m not too concerned with having him for the first meeting.
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                  • RuthlessBurgher
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 33208

                    #10
                    Haden: 'I'm really excited'

                    Posted 2 hours ago


                    Teresa Varley

                    Steelers.com


                    Joe Haden was encouraged when Mike Tomlin said he would leave the light on.


                    Leaving the light on: Joe Haden will miss Monday night’s game against the Cincinnati Bengals, and doesn’t have a timetable or target date yet for his return.

                    But what he does have, is a light that is being left on for him. And that is keeping him going.

                    Haden, who suffered a fractured fibula against the Colts on Nov. 12, just got off crutches a few days ago and is now riding the stationary bike and walking on the water treadmill. And he is doing it with the hope to return to the field either before the end of the regular season, or in the postseason.

                    “That is something I never had to worry about. I’m really excited,” said Haden. “Coach (Mike) Tomlin said he’s keeping the light on for me. It’s a bone. Your body has to heal. I’m just doing as much as I possibly can, but at the same time, knowing I don’t want to rush it because your bone has to heal.”

                    Haden said when the injury first occurred he didn’t realize how bad it was. He tried to run on the sidelines, and when there was pain, headed to the locker room for x-rays.

                    “It was the worst feeling ever,” said Haden. “I had a thigh bruise before, but it felt like a bruise on the side of my calf. I told the trainer. ‘I’ll be good. Just give me 60 seconds.’ I tried to run again, and I felt the clicking. That’s when we went back and got the x-ray and saw that I fractured my fibula.”

                    While he isn’t on the field Haden is going to meetings and practice, keeping on top of everything. He said whenever he returns, he will be ready and won’t need a lot of lead time to prepare, even if it means not playing until the postseason.

                    “It doesn’t matter as long as I’m able to make the cuts, jumping, moving,” said Haden. “I’ll be able to go two days before a game.”


                    Heat is on: When it comes to rivalries, the AFC North is a hotbed for some of the most heated, fierce ones out there. And that will be on display Monday night when the Steelers take on the Cincinnati Bengals at Paul Brown Stadium.

                    “It’s a rivalry,” said Le’Veon Bell. “That is just the way the game is. You have two teams that don’t like each other on the field. There are going to be things that happen off the field too. It comes with it. It’s football.”

                    The Steelers, 9-2, need the win to keep pace at the top of the AFC, while the Bengals, 5-6, need to win in the fight for a playoff spot.

                    “We know they are in position to get in the playoff hunt, they have to win out,” said Bell. “We know they are going to come and play hard and tough. We have to go out there and prepare that way. We will continue to do what we do, treat this game like a rivalry game like we normally do.”


                    His father’s footsteps: On Wednesday Cameron Heyward was named AFC Defensive Player of the Week for his dominance against the Packers, finishing with two sacks. six tackles and three quarterback hurries, and breathing down Brett Hundley’s neck all night.

                    It’s the second time he won the honor this year, doing so against the Ravens in Week 4, and becoming one of only two Steelers, Troy Polamalu (2010) the other, to win multiple Defensive Player of the Week honors in the same season in the past 20 years.

                    Heyward, who now has a career-high nine career sacks, has moved into the Top 10 in fan voting for the 2018 Pro Bowl, but still has a way to go.

                    And Heyward doesn’t want to be selected to the Pro Bowl just for a pat on the back. He wants to do it to carry on the Heyward legacy his father, the late Craig ‘Ironhead’ Heyward, was a Pro Bowl selection in 1995 while with the Atlanta Falcons.

                    “I would like to be recognized,” said Heyward. “That isn’t the ultimate goal. It would be one thing off my check list. You want to be recognized by your peers, know you are appreciated. I want to be able to say I did the same thing as my dad. He got recognized. That is one of my goals.”
                    Heyward said the most important thing for him is to just let his play do the talking.

                    “I am just trying to play good football,” said Heyward. “I have to continue to do that.”


                    http://www.steelers.com/news/article-4/Haden-Im-really-excited/5e0e49cf-5699-4f28-a7ad-37eb7a0c4e06
                    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                    • RuthlessBurgher
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 33208

                      #11
                      Steelers' Joe Haden getting X-ray, could practice for Patriots week

                      4:55 PM ET

                      Jeremy Fowler
                      ESPN Staff Writer

                      PITTSBURGH -- A test sometime next week will determine when cornerback Joe Haden begins practicing, which could be in time for the Week 15 clash with the New England Patriots.

                      Haden confirmed he's getting an X-ray after the three-week anniversary of his broken fibula, which occurred Nov. 12. A source said Haden would be set to practice if that X-ray brings positive news, though Haden said he could start on the Alter-G gravity treadmill instead of the field.

                      The Steelers' secondary is still third in the NFL in passing defense but has given up five passing touchdowns of 50-plus yards in the last three weeks, mostly without Haden.

                      Haden admits that nursing an injury with the playoffs in mind is a foreign concept. The former Cleveland Brown never worried about that with the team that drafted him. But he might only a need a few days of practice work before playing, Haden added.

                      "Coach T said he's leaving the light on for me," Haden said. "Your body has to heal. I'm doing as much as I possibly can but at the same time not rushing it."

                      Haden is officially ruled out for Monday night's game against the Cincinnati Bengals.

                      In other injury news, the Steelers have a chance to play WR JuJu Smith-Schsuter (hamstring) and TE Vance McDonald (ankle) on Monday night.

                      http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/26226/steelers-joe-haden-getting-x-ray-could-practice-for-patriots-week
                      Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                      Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                      We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                      We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                      • Bumblebee
                        Rookie
                        • Nov 2017
                        • 3

                        #12
                        Yep coaching problems....

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                        • pittpete
                          Legend
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 6825

                          #13
                          Just an FYI, Jordy ran the same route as Adams on the other side.
                          Burns recovered nicely, Cody not so much.
                          We rushed 4 and Mitchell was actually shaded to the other side.
                          If you watch the coaches view on NFL gamepass, Hundley's up field shoulder is facing Adams/Cody's side and even after the pump, Mitchell still didnt react.
                          These are the little things i notice about Mitchell.
                          I feel his instincts are a step or two away from making a play.
                          Not trying to blame Mitchell for Cody biting on the double move.....
                          Last edited by pittpete; 11-30-2017, 05:34 PM.
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