Steelers' Tight Ends Appear To Be Stepping Up...

[WB Tarleton]

If Hesse was truly as bad as you guys say he wouldn’t be on our team.

Does that just hold true just for Jesse or other Steelers too? Because you have been quite tough recently on the likes of Mitchell, Martavis, and "Artie Burnt."

You know, because if "Artie Burnt" was that bad he wouldn't be on our team...right?

[Slapstick]

Hilarious. You do not even address the thrust of my post, that you claimed I said something I did not.

As far as you, I made a common sense application of the phrase "stepping up." I do not need your permission to do so. Common sense is not subject to your agreement.

"Stepping up" means significantly improving one's play. The TE group has played no better in the last three weeks than the previous 8. The RESULTS might be better, but it is due to our OC scheming opportunities rather than the TE group "stepping up" and improving their play by getting open on routes they previously were not, or catching balls they usually drop.

It's simple. It's great that they have three TDs. I am happy because the team benefits. But the kudos go to Haley for getting blood from the TE stone. It just does not mean they are playing any better than they have been the last 2-3 years.

You are hilarious. You spend all of these pages misrepresenting what I said and then turn around and accuse me of that very thing. Your unintentional irony is truly amazing.

You have a different opinion. Awesome. It’s a message board specifically for posting opinions. At least you understand that much...

[WB Tarleton]

You are hilarious. You spend all of these pages misrepresenting what I said and then turn around and accuse me of that very thing. Your unintentional irony is truly amazing.

I misrepresented nothing, which is why you make claims without backing them up and make childishly vague references to "unintentional irony."

In contrast, I provide quotes of your misrepresentations. Like this:

My dude, you are getting all bent out of shape by the suggestion that our TEs scoring 3 TDs in the past three games is somehow a good thing, and an improvement over going two months without scoring one.

I have no problem with you suggesting that "3 TDs...is somehow a good thing" or an "improvement" over nothing. I never made an argument otherwise and you cannot provide a quote of me making such an argument. I have asked but you just ignore it. The problem is the implication that they are somehow playing well. The stats do not support it. The eye test does not support it.

You have a different opinion. Awesome. It’s a message board specifically for posting opinions. At least you understand that much...

Yep, but let's not pretend that all opinions are equal. Some are based on both objective and subjective data culled from experience and knowledge of the game and others, like yours, are based on gut feelings or pre-existing narratives. For example, some like Jesse solely because he is a PSU guy.

[Slapstick]

I misrepresented nothing, which is why you make claims without backing them up and make childishly vague references to "unintentional irony."

In contrast, I provide quotes of your misrepresentations. Like this:

I have no problem with you suggesting that "3 TDs...is somehow a good thing" or an "improvement" over nothing. I never made an argument otherwise and you cannot provide a quote of me making such an argument. I have asked but you just ignore it. The problem is the implication that they are somehow playing well. The stats do not support it. The eye test does not support it.



Yep, but let's not pretend that all opinions are equal. Some are based on both objective and subjective data culled from experience and knowledge of the game and others, like yours, are based on gut feelings or pre-existing narratives. For example, some like Jesse solely because he is a PSU guy.

And some people have just decided they don’t like our TEs...and pass off their opinion as fact, for example, crediting Haley for the recent successes...

The fact is that they scored three TDs in the last three games, and that is an improvement...

[feltdizz]

No, I did not take anything literally. The Steelers do not have a junior varsity team (which would be "literal").

What Tomlin obviously meant is that the TE position is not up to par. Not up to Steeler standards. So much so, that the team tried to replace Jesse James not once, but twice in two seasons.



So untrue. You do not replace a guy, even if his performance is substandard, unless you have a better alternative. Even then, all things being equal, you cut the worst player at the position on the team (arguably, Grimble.)

Jesse is no better than a backup TE in this league. He is a terrible blocker. His hands are OK, but his speed and athletic ability to get separation are almost non-existent. That is exactly why the team has looked to replace him as the starter for two seasons. THAT'S "literal." THAT'S specific. It cannot be denied. The team has tried to replace him, which trumps any twisting of Tomlin's words you may perform.

His stats back it up. His stats are 30th in TE receiving yards (8 spots BELOW Seth Devalve), 40th in yards per game, and 78th(!) in yards per catch. Not "deadly" (and I know you do not mean he kills people). Not "solid." Pitiful.

And, yes, I did notice that you have retreated from calling him "deadly" to "solid."

Jesse is still here. If they really tried to get rid of him he would be gone.

I never said Jesse was deadly. I said I like my TE's silent but deadly. Not a lot of yards, not a lot of attention but scoring TD's in the RZ instead of trying to force it to AB on a terrible double move inside the 5.

We have bitched and moaned about RZ production and getting TD's from TE's is a huge bonus. Silent but deadly. That's how I like them.

I don't like Jesse because he is a PSU guy, I'm a PITT fan. I like Jesse because he is a 6th rounder, cheap, but he tends to catch most passes thrown his way.

Do you remember the Christmas Day Immaculate Extension? Check out James 18 yarder and then a 3rd and 4 conversion for 9 yards that set up the GW pass.

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/steelers-film-room-breakdown-analysis/2016/12/29/14100152/breaking-down-the-steelers-game-winning-drive-vs-the-ravens-in-week-16-ben-roethlisberger-afc-north

Jesse isn't some bum. He had 2 TD's in the first game of the season. He just isn't our primary target because we have better weapons in AB, Bell, JJ and MB (when he isn't pouting)

[feltdizz]

You are hilarious. You spend all of these pages misrepresenting what I said and then turn around and accuse me of that very thing. Your unintentional irony is truly amazing.

You have a different opinion. Awesome. It’s a message board specifically for posting opinions. At least you understand that much...

when folks give HALEY credit that lets you know they are arguing just to argue.

[feltdizz]

Does that just hold true just for Jesse or other Steelers too? Because you have been quite tough recently on the likes of Mitchell, Martavis, and "Artie Burnt."

You know, because if "Artie Burnt" was that bad he wouldn't be on our team...right?

when have I ever been hard on Mitchell? I'm one of the only guys on here that defend him.

Dude, you really need to do a better job at this. You must be an old doomer who tried to re-invent themselves but sadly, your old habits are seeping out little by little.

calling a player by a funny nickname is being harsh? Really?

[WB Tarleton]

And some people have just decided they don’t like our TEs...and pass off their opinion as fact, for example, crediting Haley for the recent successes...

The fact is that they scored three TDs in the last three games, and that is an improvement...

Did I say it was not an "improvement?" Again, where? Quote me.

But it is NOT indicative of adequate TE play.

Let's put this back where it belongs. And let's be specific. What parts of JJ's and X's game has improved? And don't say "scoring." Go over the tape and tell us HOW they improved. Break down the tape. Compare it to what they did wrong in previous games and seasons. What they did athletically they were not doing before, what they did to get open that they were not doing before, why they caught balls they were not catching before.

If I thought you would do it, it would be fun. But, you will not, because you know it was really scheme. We fooled the Titans on the James TD. We fooled the Packers on the X TD. You or I could have been the TE on either play with the same result.

[WB Tarleton]

Jesse is still here. If they really tried to get rid of him he would be gone.

LOL Right. They signed a FA TE and then traded for another just before the regular season because they were happy with James' play. And saying the TEs were junior varsity was a compliment. Do you even read your posts before clicking "Reply?"

I never said Jesse was deadly. I said I like my TE's silent but deadly. Not a lot of yards, not a lot of attention but scoring TD's in the RZ instead of trying to force it to AB on a terrible double move inside the 5.

My heavens. Like the implication that our TEs (who you describe as doing just as you want, catching TDs and not yards) are "silent but deadly" is not dripping in that sentence. In fact, if you were not describing our TEs, you would have no reason to write the sentence.

We have bitched and moaned about RZ production and getting TD's from TE's is a huge bonus. Silent but deadly. That's how I like them.

LOL You go from saying "I didn't call James and X deadly!" to calling them "silent but deadly" again in the next sentence. Make up your freaking mind.

I don't like Jesse because he is a PSU guy, I'm a PITT fan. I like Jesse because he is a 6th rounder, cheap, but he tends to catch most passes thrown his way.

Luckily, I never said you liked Jesse for that reason.

Do you remember the Christmas Day Immaculate Extension? Check out James 18 yarder and then a 3rd and 4 conversion for 9 yards that set up the GW pass.
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...rger-afc-north

Yet, Tomlin tried to replace him as the starting TE, AGAIN.

Jesse isn't some bum. He had 2 TD's in the first game of the season. He just isn't our primary target because we have better weapons in AB, Bell, JJ and MB (when he isn't pouting)

Then why does Tomlin want to relegate him to the bench? To imply that signing and trading for two TEs in two years is not an indictment of James is delusional. He isn't a primary target because he is not primary target material. Even a secondary target would be fine, but he is not good enough for that either. Even a decoy to draw coverage would be OK, but the defense would laugh if he ever ran a pole or seam route. To top it all off, he cannot block, which would excuse all of his other deficiencies if he could do that. But, he cannot.

[feltdizz]

Did I say it was not an "improvement?" Again, where? Quote me.

But it is NOT indicative of adequate TE play.

Let's put this back where it belongs. And let's be specific. What parts of JJ's and X's game has improved? And don't say "scoring." Go over the tape and tell us HOW they improved. Break down the tape. Compare it to what they did wrong in previous games and seasons. What they did athletically they were not doing before, what they did to get open that they were not doing before, why they caught balls they were not catching before.

If I thought you would do it, it would be fun. But, you will not, because you know it was really scheme. We fooled the Titans on the James TD. We fooled the Packers on the X TD. You or I could have been the TE on either play with the same result.

wait.. a play action pass at the goal line where the TE is wide open is a knock on James skills?

We've seen James catch a TD in traffic in the end zone in the first game this year. We've seen Grimble catch a TD pass from 20 yards out vs the Ravens last year.

Their responsibilities are different this year because we have JuJu who is a much better slot receiver than Eli and he gives us the flexibility of running or passing since he blocks like Heinz.

Seriously, we have JuJu and MB back this year so why would anyone think our TE's would be a factor in this offense? That's not our scheme. We don't need our TE's to Jimmy Graham or Gronk it up. When the time comes that our WR's are covered Ben will look to a TE if Bell isn't open but more times than not he is going to force it to AB or Bell because those guys are capable of making things happen regardless of how many guys are surrounding them.

[Slapstick]

Did I say it was not an "improvement?" Again, where? Quote me.

But it is NOT indicative of adequate TE play.

Let's put this back where it belongs. And let's be specific. What parts of JJ's and X's game has improved? And don't say "scoring." Go over the tape and tell us HOW they improved. Break down the tape. Compare it to what they did wrong in previous games and seasons. What they did athletically they were not doing before, what they did to get open that they were not doing before, why they caught balls they were not catching before.

If I thought you would do it, it would be fun. But, you will not, because you know it was really scheme. We fooled the Titans on the James TD. We fooled the Packers on the X TD. You or I could have been the TE on either play with the same result.

Of course we can talk about “could have”, but I prefer to talk about what actually happened. The most important thing is results, and our TEs have produced better results over the last three games...some people, with common sense, might call that “stepping up.”

I would also love to have the time to sit and break down film, but, like most people on this board, I have a job and a family. So, I go by the results I see during the game...

[WB Tarleton]

when have I ever been hard on Mitchell? I'm one of the only guys on here that defend him.

Dude, you really need to do a better job at this. You must be an old doomer who tried to re-invent themselves but sadly, your old habits are seeping out little by little.

calling a player by a funny nickname is being harsh? Really?

A funny nickname is "Peezy."

Artie Burnt, in addition to being unoriginal, is a direct statement about his play.

If he was so bad as to be "Artie Burnt", he wouldn't be a Steeler. lol At least, that is your "logic."

Of course, the real point is that your statement is nonsense. We have had, do have, and will have in the future subpar players at certain positions. "If he was that bad he wouldn't be on the team" is idiotic to the extreme. Jarvis Jones was that bad and stayed for four seasons.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Who really cares this much about semantics?!?!

Our TE's haven't scored any TD's since week one, but now each TE on our roster has scored 1 TD in each of the last 3 games.

Hooray!

[feltdizz]

LOL Right. They signed a FA TE and then traded for another just before the regular season because they were happy with James' play. And saying the TEs were junior varsity was a compliment. Do you even read your posts before clicking "Reply?"



My heavens. Like the implication that our TEs (who you describe as doing just as you want, catching TDs and not yards) are "silent but deadly" is not dripping in that sentence. In fact, if you were not describing our TEs, you would have no reason to write the sentence.



LOL You go from saying "I didn't call James and X deadly!" to calling them "silent but deadly" again in the next sentence. Make up your freaking mind.



Luckily, I never said you liked Jesse for that reason.



Yet, Tomlin tried to replace him as the starting TE, AGAIN.



Then why does Tomlin want to relegate him to the bench? To imply that signing and trading for two TEs in two years is not an indictment of James is delusional. He isn't a primary target because he is not primary target material. Even a secondary target would be fine, but he is not good enough for that either. Even a decoy to draw coverage would be OK, but the defense would laugh if he ever ran a pole or seam route. To top it all off, he cannot block, which would excuse all of his other deficiencies if he could do that. But, he cannot.

LMAO.. here you go again getting caught up on a word and running it into the ground.

It's called healthy competition. You do realize teams pick up players for depth all the time? If Tomlin truly wanted to replace James he wouldn't be playing right now. Ben has praised Jesse James this year and Tomlin said this after his 2 TD game to open the season:

“You know he delivered some big-time plays, particularly in the red area,” Tomlin said. “Performance in the red area will define us. His contributions in that area were exceptional.”

exceptional

repeat that 5 times then put it in your pipe and smoke it. LOL..

one other nugget. We haven't had a TE catch 2 TD's in one game since 2012... and we lost that game.

second nugget. Our TE's aren't the second option or the 3rd option and that's OK. As long as they catch TD's I'm fine with it. We have more than enough play makers at WR.

[feltdizz]

A funny nickname is "Peezy."

Artie Burnt, in addition to being unoriginal, is a direct statement about his play.

If he was so bad as to be "Artie Burnt", he wouldn't be a Steeler. lol At least, that is your "logic."

Of course, the real point is that your statement is nonsense. We have had, do have, and will have in the future subpar players at certain positions. "If he was that bad he wouldn't be on the team" is idiotic to the extreme. Jarvis Jones was that bad and stayed for four seasons.

its... not that type of funny.

man, who are you? You have to be an alias. No one can be this new and this professional at trolling