Steelers trade for a corner

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

You can do "what ifs" all day long. What if Ben goes down?

These positions are not even close.
At least you FINALLY acknowledge secondary as a weakness. were you THAT confident in Golson that only NOW you recognize this fact?

BEFORE THE DRAFT our receivers already had the makings of an elite group.
Nobody would be shocked if come seasons end it is deemed the best in the NFL.
Heck, I would suggest that Juju were to break his leg tomorrow, it has that potential.

Before the draft and despite the draft, NOBODY save for bias Steeler fans expects that our secondary has a chance to be elite.

There is absolutely ZERO parallel in the state of those two positions.

You are correct if you consider Bryant a given. With Bryant at WR, this team has the potential to have one of the best units in the game. AB and MB on the field make whoever else is playing that much better due to the coverage that they command. Take MB away, and all you have is AB (yes, perhaps the best in the game) and a bunch of guys. Only the team's FO knows what their take on Bryant was at the time they made the Ju Ju selection.

True, it is not as important as CB where we have Burns (a good CB as a rook who can hopefully become very good this year) and a bunch of guys.

Another factor which we don't know is where did the team have Sutton rated compared to the other CBs available when they picked in round 2. I think that Sutton checks all the boxes that they have recently been looking for in the draft (character guy, student of the game, work ethic) so maybe he was a guy who they were targeting all along.

[Slapstick]

You can do "what ifs" all day long. What if Ben goes down?

These positions are not even close.
At least you FINALLY acknowledge secondary as a weakness. were you THAT confident in Golson that only NOW you recognize this fact?

BEFORE THE DRAFT our receivers already had the makings of an elite group.
Nobody would be shocked if come seasons end it is deemed the best in the NFL.
Heck, I would suggest that Juju were to break his leg tomorrow, it has that potential.

Before the draft and despite the draft, NOBODY save for bias Steeler fans expects that our secondary has a chance to be elite.

There is absolutely ZERO parallel in the state of those two positions.

But, you're wrong. Before the draft, our WRs DID NOT have the makings of an elite group...they sure as hell didn't a few months prior in the playoffs...how had they improved BEFORE THE DRAFT? Answer: They didn't...

Even if you were 100% certain that Bryant would be reinstated (which, he still isn't fully reinstated) and that Coates who was a big part of your success in the first five games could heal and reclaim his former role (so far, he hasn't) it STILL isn't worth drafting a player that you gave a lower draft grade just because he's a CB...if you have some insight into the Steelers draft war room and can show that there was a CB who had a draft grade higher than Smith-Schuster or one that had a draft grade that showed he was worth moving up to get (depending on the price...you gotta have a partner), THEN you have a point that you can support..."I don't like Ross Cockrell" is a perfectly valid opinion, but it doesn't make any sense in regards to this past draft...

Now, if you want to complain about not pursuing an elite CB free agency, that's a completely separate issue...

[Slapstick]

You are correct if you consider Bryant a given. With Bryant at WR, this team has the potential to have one of the best units in the game. AB and MB on the field make whoever else is playing that much better due to the coverage that they command. Take MB away, and all you have is AB (yes, perhaps the best in the game) and a bunch of guys. Only the team's FO knows what their take on Bryant was at the time they made the Ju Ju selection.

True, it is not as important as CB where we have Burns (a good CB as a rook who can hopefully become very good this year) and a bunch of guys.

Another factor which we don't know is where did the team have Sutton rated compared to the other CBs available when they picked in round 2. I think that Sutton checks all the boxes that they have recently been looking for in the draft (character guy, student of the game, work ethic) so maybe he was a guy who they were targeting all along.

Well said!!

[squidkid]

But, you're wrong. Before the draft, our WRs DID NOT have the makings of an elite group...they sure as hell didn't a few months prior in the playoffs...how had they improved BEFORE THE DRAFT? Answer: They didn't...

Even if you were 100% certain that Bryant would be reinstated (which, he still isn't fully reinstated) and that Coates who was a big part of your success in the first five games could heal and reclaim his former role (so far, he hasn't) it STILL isn't worth drafting a player that you gave a lower draft grade just because he's a CB...if you have some insight into the Steelers draft war room and can show that there was a CB who had a draft grade higher than Smith-Schuster or one that had a draft grade that showed he was worth moving up to get (depending on the price...you gotta have a partner), THEN you have a point that you can support..."I don't like Ross Cockrell" is a perfectly valid opinion, but it doesn't make any sense in regards to this past draft...

Now, if you want to complain about not pursuing an elite CB free agency, that's a completely separate issue...

can you prove juju had a higher grade than any other cb still on the board?

[Eddie Spaghetti]

bryant was conditionally reinstated before the draft so the steelers WRs most certainly did improve before the draft

everyone knew from following his social media that bryant was working out and preparing like never before

[Slapstick]

can you prove juju had a higher grade than any other cb still on the board?

What do I have to prove? The evidence is that they picked him. The burden of proof should be providing some kind of information that shows Smith-Schuster was graded lower by the Steelers than the available DBs...

[Slapstick]

bryant was conditionally reinstated before the draft so the steelers WRs most certainly did improve before the draft

everyone knew from following his social media that bryant was working out and preparing like never before

And did that conditional reinstatement before the draft allow him to practice with the team and participate in training camp? Nope. He still ended up sitting out for weeks. How was that an improvement?

[RuthlessBurgher]

Bryant is still not fully reinstated to play regular season games even now.

[Shoe]

The secondary, is what it is, at this point. It is still reasonable to hope that Burns and Davis' improvement will change it for the better, but the bottom line is that the secondary's success or failure will simply be a function of JJ Watt, Cam, Tuitt, Deebo, Bud, and Hargrave's success on the pass-rush. If they can create pressure, Cockrell & Co. will be OK. If not, well, I guess get ready to watch the * march all over us again.

[Oviedo]

The secondary, is what it is, at this point. It is still reasonable to hope that Burns and Davis' improvement will change it for the better, but the bottom line is that the secondary's success or failure will simply be a function of JJ Watt, Cam, Tuitt, Deebo, Bud, and Hargrave's success on the pass-rush. If they can create pressure, Cockrell & Co. will be OK. If not, well, I guess get ready to watch the * march all over us again.

Exactly. The pass rush has to excel. No secondary can cover if you can't get the QB to hurry and off their rhythm

[Eddie Spaghetti]

And did that conditional reinstatement before the draft allow him to practice with the team and participate in training camp? Nope. He still ended up sitting out for weeks. How was that an improvement?

everyone knew he was going to be back. it was seen as a bonus to get the conditional reinstatement before the draft to help firm up their draft needs

you guys would argue with a sign post

[feltdizz]

I think the Pats lost Edelman to injury. That's another reason we probably picked JuJu at the time. Last year we lost DHB Wheaton and Coates for a significant portion of the season. It's real easy to go from best WR corps to below average over the course of a season.

[Slapstick]

everyone knew he was going to be back. it was seen as a bonus to get the conditional reinstatement before the draft to help firm up their draft needs

you guys would argue with a sign post

First off, let's just be clear that you were the one who chose to argue with me by responding to my post...you can't choose to argue with me and then whine about my arguing....

Second, he is STILL NOT FULLY REINSTATED...

[Eddie Spaghetti]

only an idiot would argue MBs reinstatement didnt improve the steelers WR group

no surprise you are doing that

[Slapstick]

only an idiot would argue MBs reinstatement didnt improve the steelers WR group

no surprise you are doing that

So, he's now good to go for the regular season? That's fantastic news! When did that happen?

Only someone with no actual answers resorts to name calling on a message board.

no surprise you are doing that