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  • Slapstick
    Rookie
    • May 2008
    • 0

    #46
    Originally posted by phillyesq
    I've kind of thought that was the most logical grouping all along. Heyward-Bey is almost Chidi Iwouma or Sean Morey - a ST player given a token positional designation. The difference is that he can still get some WR snaps in a pinch. He and Coates likely beat out Justin Hunter because they can play on STs, which Hunter doesn't.
    I think that if Coates plays well and doesn't have any health setbacks, he'll make the team...if Cobi Hamilton continues to play well, he could be difficult to cut...
    Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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    • SidSmythe
      Hall of Famer
      • Sep 2008
      • 4708

      #47
      I'd keep DHB b/c he's been reliable game in and game out. Maybe not in the passing game but in special teams. He has the experience to play WR when needed
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      • Eddie Spaghetti
        Hall of Famer
        • Jul 2008
        • 4123

        #48
        DHB is reportedly having a terrible camp. cant catch anything

        is he that great of a ST player?

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        • Shoe
          Hall of Famer
          • May 2008
          • 4044

          #49
          Originally posted by Oviedo
          IMO no harm putting Golson on the PS or IR. We lose nothing
          I've read that we save $500k by cutting him. I'm so ignorant on salary cap numbers, so I don't know how significant a $500k can be, but I guess that would be something else against him as far as going to the practice squad. If it were me, I'd still try and stash him there. At this point, I'd call him about 10% to turn into a NFL caliber player. That may sound low, but I would venture that a practice squad player actually rising to active roster player is at least that now and probably lower.

          On another note, for the life of me, I still don't get the love for Hunter. I read these other comment sections, and they all talk about this guy and never having a good QB throwing to him. That is silly, if you consider that these teams still can recognize WR talent, despite who is throwing him the ball. My sense is that he was garbage in practice, and garbage in games. Three teams don't give up on a "freak" athlete like that.

          In the end, he was insurance for Martavis. So was JJSS. Now that we have Martavis in tow, and JJSS hopefully healthy, that insurance policy is simply unneeded.
          I wasn't hired for my disposition.

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          • NJ-STEELER
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 12563

            #50
            keep the better player and let the ST work out with the 53 on the roster.

            you start keeping worse players for their gunner abilities over more talented guys and you get what we had last year in the playoffs.. no receivers that could be relied on

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            • Iron City Inc.
              Hall of Famer
              • Jun 2013
              • 3241

              #51
              Originally posted by Oviedo
              IMO no harm putting Golson on the PS or IR. We lose nothing
              Golson going to the practice squad is looking more n more like the viable option. Shame but the train is moving n he still ain't on board.

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              • squidkid
                Legend
                • Feb 2012
                • 5847

                #52
                Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                keep the better player and let the ST work out with the 53 on the roster.

                you start keeping worse players for their gunner abilities over more talented guys and you get what we had last year in the playoffs.. no receivers that could be relied on
                absolutely. we are middle of the road at ST teams anyways.
                keep a young hungry guy with potential to get better over a old hungry guy that will never be more than a 5th wr
                steelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clown

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                • RuthlessBurgher
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 33208

                  #53
                  O-R Sports reporter Dale Lolley gets you the insider scoop on the NFL.

                  Taking a look at the 53-man roster

                  August 22, 2017

                  Because of a change in NFL rules this year, the Steelers and other teams won’t have to cut their rosters from 90 to 53 players until after Week 4 of the preseason.

                  But that doesn’t mean we can’t start taking a look at how this roster is shaping up.

                  Here’s where I see things as they currently stand halfway through the preseason.

                  Quarterbacks (3): Ben Roethlisberger, Landry Jones, Josh Dobbs. Not much drama here. Dobbs is getting a lot of playing time with Jones still nursing an abdominal injury. But he’s no danger to unseat Jones as Roethlisberger’s backup.

                  Running backs (5): Le’Veon Bell, James Conner, Fitzgerald Toussaint, Knile Davis, Roosevelt Nix. Davis will get a shot to prove himself as the kick returner, otherwise, Terrell Watson has outplayed him throughout the process. Watson heads to the practice squad. Trey Williams hasn’t done enough outside of his punt return for a TD last week to show he has to have a roster spot.

                  Wide receivers (6): Antonio Brown, Martavis Bryant, Eli Rogers, JuJu Smith-Shuster, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Sammie Coates. Justin Hunter’s play has tailed off the past couple of weeks. Heyward-Bey gets another year because, quite simply, the Steelers want his leadership. The Steelers try to sneak both Demarcus Ayers and Marcus Tucker to the practice squad.

                  Tight ends (3): Jesse James, Xavier Gimble, David Johnson. As hard as it might be to believe, Johnson has probably had the best training camp and preseason of this group. Jake McGee goes to the practice squad.

                  Offensive line (9): Alejandro Villanueva, Ramon Foster, Maurkice Pouncey, David DeCastro, Marcus Gilbert, B.J. Finney, Chris Hubbard, Matt Feiler, Jerald Hawkins. Nine seems like a lot, but deciding between Feiler and Hawkins is tough. And there’s a good chance in an offensive lineman-starved league that neither would clear waivers without being claimed. The same goes for Brian Mihalik, but the Steelers try to sneak him onto the practice squad.

                  Defensive line (5): Cam Heyward, Javon Hargrave, Stephon Tuitt, Tyson Alualu, L.T. Walton. The Daniel McCullers experiment comes to an end. Both Alualu and Walton can play the nose. And the Steelers only play a 3-4 30 percent of the time, anyway. Johnny Maxey heads to the practice squad again. Maybe Roy Philon, as well.

                  Outside linebackers (5): James Harrison, T.J. Watt, Bud Dupree, Anthony Chickillo, Arthur Moats. That’s five good ones. The Steelers will try to sneak Keion Adams to the practice squad or he could be slated for a sneaky IR move.

                  Inside linebackers (4): Ryan Shazier, Vince Williams, Tyler Matakevich, L.J. Fort. The Steelers only go with four inside linebackers, which is outside the norm. But Steven Johnson has been less than impressive and seemingly always nicked up in this camp. And, like the nose tackle position, the inside backers aren’t as important as they once were. Plus, Moats can move inside in a pinch.

                  Cornerbacks (6): Artie Burns, Ross Cockrell, William Gay, Coty Sensabaugh, Mike Hilton, Cam Sutton. Six corners sounds like a lot, but Hilton can play both corner and safety. The Steelers try to sneak Brian Allen onto the practice squad.

                  Safeties (4): Mike Mitchell, Sean Davis, Robert Golden, Jordan Dangerfield. That’s 10 defensive backs, with a couple - Davis and Hilton - who are position flexible. I like Jacob Hagen, as well, but it’s the practice squad for him.

                  Specialists (3): Chris Boswell, Jordan Berry, Colin Holba. Not a lot of drama here. Davis will get a chance to be the kick returner. If the Steelers choose, Rogers or possibly Sutton - assuming he gets healthy - can be the punt returner if they don’t want to use Brown there any longer.

                  http://www.observer-reporter.com/20170822/taking_a_look_at_the_53-man_roster
                  Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                  Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                  We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                  We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                  • RuthlessBurgher
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 33208

                    #54
                    Updating my prediction prior to the 3rd "dress rehearsal" preseason game:

                    QB-(3)
                    Ben Roethlisberger
                    Landry Jones
                    Joshua Dobbs

                    RB-(3)
                    Le'Veon Bell
                    James Conner
                    Terrell Watson

                    FB-(1)
                    Roosevelt Nix

                    WR-(6)
                    Antonio Brown
                    Martavis Bryant
                    Eli Rogers
                    Juju Smith-Schuster
                    Sammie Coates
                    Justin Hunter

                    TE-(3)
                    Jesse James
                    David Johnson
                    Jake McGee

                    OL-(8 )
                    Alejandro Villanueva
                    Ramon Foster
                    Maurkice Pouncey
                    David DeCastro
                    Marcus Gilbert
                    B.J. Finney
                    Chris Hubbard
                    Matt Feiler

                    DL-(6)
                    Cameron Heyward
                    Javon Hargrave
                    Stephon Tuitt
                    Tyson Alualu
                    L.T. Walton
                    Johnny Maxey

                    OLB-(5)
                    Bud Dupree
                    T.J. Watt
                    James Harrison
                    Anthony Chickillo
                    Arthur Moats

                    ILB-(4)
                    Ryan Shazier
                    Vince Williams
                    Tyler Matakevich
                    L.J. Fort

                    CB-(7)
                    Artie Burns
                    Ross Cockrell
                    Mike Hilton
                    Coty Sensabaugh
                    William Gay
                    Cam Sutton
                    Brian Allen

                    S-(4)
                    Sean Davis
                    Mike Mitchell
                    Robert Golden
                    Jordan Dangerfield

                    K-(1)
                    Chris Boswell

                    P-(1)
                    Jordan Berry

                    LS-(1)
                    Colin Holba

                    Practice Squad-(10)
                    RB Trey Williams
                    WR DeMarcus Ayers
                    TE Xavier Grimble
                    OL Jerald Hawkins
                    OL Brian Mihalik
                    DL Francis Kallon
                    LB Farrington Huguenin
                    LB Keith Kelsey
                    CB Senquez Golson
                    S Jacob Hagen

                    LB Keion Adams to I.R.
                    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                    • Oviedo
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 23824

                      #55
                      Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                      Updating my prediction prior to the 3rd "dress rehearsal" preseason game:

                      QB-(3)
                      Ben Roethlisberger
                      Landry Jones
                      Joshua Dobbs

                      RB-(3)
                      Le'Veon Bell
                      James Conner
                      Terrell Watson

                      FB-(1)
                      Roosevelt Nix

                      WR-(6)
                      Antonio Brown
                      Martavis Bryant
                      Eli Rogers
                      Juju Smith-Schuster
                      Sammie Coates
                      Justin Hunter

                      TE-(3)
                      Jesse James
                      David Johnson
                      Jake McGee

                      OL-(8 )
                      Alejandro Villanueva
                      Ramon Foster
                      Maurkice Pouncey
                      David DeCastro
                      Marcus Gilbert
                      B.J. Finney
                      Chris Hubbard
                      Matt Feiler

                      DL-(6)
                      Cameron Heyward
                      Javon Hargrave
                      Stephon Tuitt
                      Tyson Alualu
                      L.T. Walton
                      Johnny Maxey

                      OLB-(5)
                      Bud Dupree
                      T.J. Watt
                      James Harrison
                      Anthony Chickillo
                      Arthur Moats

                      ILB-(4)
                      Ryan Shazier
                      Vince Williams
                      Tyler Matakevich
                      L.J. Fort

                      CB-(7)
                      Artie Burns
                      Ross Cockrell
                      Mike Hilton
                      Coty Sensabaugh
                      William Gay
                      Cam Sutton
                      Brian Allen

                      S-(4)
                      Sean Davis
                      Mike Mitchell
                      Robert Golden
                      Jordan Dangerfield

                      K-(1)
                      Chris Boswell

                      P-(1)
                      Jordan Berry

                      LS-(1)
                      Colin Holba

                      Practice Squad-(10)
                      RB Trey Williams
                      WR DeMarcus Ayers
                      TE Xavier Grimble
                      OL Jerald Hawkins
                      OL Brian Mihalik
                      DL Francis Kallon
                      LB Farrington Huguenin
                      LB Keith Kelsey
                      CB Senquez Golson
                      S Jacob Hagen

                      LB Keion Adams to I.R.
                      I like you have Watson there at RB, but who returns KOs and Punts if no Knile Davis?

                      I like Brian Allen on the 53 because I don't think he lasts the season on PS

                      The last WR will get interesting. Bey showed lots on special teams last game

                      I hate our back up Safeties
                      "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                      • K Train
                        Hall of Famer
                        • Jan 2014
                        • 3685

                        #56
                        DHB is a stud on ST and as a blocker....its been keeping him on teams for years lol

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                        • Oviedo
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 23824

                          #57
                          Originally posted by K Train
                          DHB is a stud on ST and as a blocker....its been keeping him on teams for years lol
                          Not sure that validates a spot on the 53
                          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                          • Oviedo
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 23824

                            #58
                            Also did the following Placed LB Keion Adams on the Reserve/InjuredList; Released DE Christian Brown and TE Phazahn Odom

                            "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                            • RuthlessBurgher
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 33208

                              #59
                              O-R Sports reporter Dale Lolley gets you the insider scoop on the NFL.

                              Preseason is done, now it’s time to cut to 53

                              August 31, 2017

                              Since the Steelers have to cut their roster to 53 players by 4 p.m. Saturday, I’m not going to bore you with a recap or analysis from Thursday night’s 17-14 win at Carolina to close out the preseason.

                              I’ll analyze what happened in the game while also telling you who I think will be on the 53-man roster and why.

                              With that, let’s get into it.

                              Quarterbacks (3): Ben Roethlisberger, Landry Jones, Josh Dobbs: Dobbs played his best game of the preseason against the Panthers, going 16-23 for 212 yards and a touchdown while also rushing for the game-winning score. He won’t push Landry Jones for the No. 2 spot this season, but he showed enough progress in this process to show that he can next year.

                              Running backs (4): Le’Veon Bell, James Conner, Terrell Watson, Roosevelt Nix: Watson consistently outplayed Knile Davis and Fitzgerald Toussaint in this preseason to the point where somebody will sign him to their 53-man roster if the Steelers try to put him on the practice squad. He’s just better than the other guys. The only question is if the Steelers are comfortable with two young runners behind Bell.

                              Wide receivers (6): Antonio Brown, Martavis Bryant, JuJu Smith-Shuster, Eli Rogers, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Sammie Coates. The Steelers expect to hear from the league by Saturday’s 4 p.m. cutdown date whether Bryant will be given the OK for this season and expect that he will. I know Justin Hunter made a bit of a statement in the final preseason game, but it was too little, too late for my liking. Plus, he does nothing on special teams. And if Davis is gone, Coates is your kick returner. He and Heyward-Bey are two of the better gunners on the team on punt coverage, as well. Hunter does none of the things you need a No. 5 or 6 WR to do to have value. A trade possibility? Perhaps they can get a seventh-round pick for him. I’ve liked Marcus Tucker all along and he and Demarcus Ayers can head to the practice squad.

                              Tight ends (4): Jesse James, Vance McDonald, David Johnson, Xavier Grimble: We saw what a little competition can do to a position. The tight ends had their best game of the preseason against the Panthers. Because McDonald could take a week or three to get up to speed in the offense, the Steelers will keep all four. All four can contribute on special teams, anyway.

                              Offensive line (: Alejandro Villanueva, Ramon Foster, Maurkice Pouncey, David DeCastro, Marcus Gilbert, B.J. Finney, Chris Hubbard, Cole Feiler. Finney is the top backup inside and Hubbard can play all five spots in a pinch. Feiler makes it over Jerald Hawkins and Brian Mihalik, both of whom are eligible for the practice squad, while Feiler is not.

                              Defensive end (5): Cam Heyward, Stephon Tuitt, Javon Hargrave, Tyson Alualu, L.T. Walton: Alualu and Walton both can play inside or out and James Harrison could play end in a pinch. Lavon Hooks would be the next guy in line. And look for the Steelers to make a last-ditch effort to get Tuitt extended before the weekend is over.

                              Linebackers (9): Bud Dupree, T.J. Watt, James Harrison, Anthony Chickillo and Arthur Moats outside; Ryan Shazier, Vince Williams, Tyler Matakevich and L.J. Fort inside: This is a pretty simple cut with Farrington Huguenin sticking around on the practice squad along with Keith Kelsey. Veteran Steven Johnson is a casualty.

                              Cornerbacks (6): Artie Burns, Joe Haden, Ross Cockrell, Coty Sensabaugh, Mike Hilton, William Gay: Cam Sutton suffered another hamstring injury Thursday night. He’ll likely head to IR for his rookie season. That saves Cockrell or Sensabaugh a spot on the roster. Haden should be ready to start Week 1 since that game is against Cleveland, his former team. Hilton will be the slot corner with Gay playing inside as well when the team goes dime while also serving as the fourth safety.

                              Safety (3): Mike Mitchell, Sean Davis, Robert Golden: Jordan Dangerfield’s ankle injury Thursday night was serious enough that he went straight to the locker room. That’s not good, especially at a position that was already thin. Don’t be surprised if the Steelers look for some help here. But Gay and Hilton also can play some safety. This also assumes the team feels Mitchell is ready to go for the opener.

                              Specialists (3): Chris Boswell, Jordan Berry, Colin Holba: The Holba vs. Kameron Canaday battle was a lot closer than many thought it would be. Holba is a little more accurate, while Canaday snaps with a little more velocity. Both can do the job at the NFL level. Could a trade be a possibility?

                              http://www.observer-reporter.com/20170831/preseason_is_done_now_itx2019s_time_to_cut_to_53
                              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                              • Oviedo
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 23824

                                #60
                                I'd really prefer to see Brian Allen over Gay. Allen has gotten better every week and Gay won't. If Gay is on the field it will be a long season of him chasing guys he can't cover any more just like Ike's last season
                                Last edited by Oviedo; 09-01-2017, 11:47 AM.
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