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  • Captain Lemming
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    • Jun 2008
    • 16041

    Originally posted by Disco1981
    I,like most here ( I think ) Wanted an OLB, or CB...After the JuJu pick I got to thinking.The plan has is/is/will be ( until Marsha is gone )Is to beat the Cheatriots.Will 1 edge rusher and a CB enough to beat NE...I think with Ben, Bell, AB, Bryant, JuJu, Green...That We would have a better chance of OUTSCORING them, than 1 or 2 defensive guys (drafting at 30 ) jmo...
    BTW..I'm a newbie, Been following this board for years, But just started posting, so take it easy on me...lol
    GO STEELERS!
    Most well stated and likely true justification of the pick in this thread.

    Nevertheless, we drafted a corner and safety early last season and went from 30th to 16th in pass defense in one season.
    So yeah, an edge rusher and a couple of DBs early IN A DEEPER SECONDARY draft can make a HUGE difference.

    Still and "average" secondary is easy for Brady to carve up.

    We can go from average to "good" in one season.
    Hopefully the later corners are "steals" that surpass expectations
    Last edited by Captain Lemming; 05-02-2017, 12:29 AM.
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    • Cinnjerm3000
      Backup
      • Sep 2014
      • 270

      Originally posted by Disco1981
      I,like most here ( I think ) Wanted an OLB, or CB...After the JuJu pick I got to thinking.The plan has is/is/will be ( until Marsha is gone )Is to beat the Cheatriots.Will 1 edge rusher and a CB enough to beat NE...I think with Ben, Bell, AB, Bryant, JuJu, Green...That We would have a better chance of OUTSCORING them, than 1 or 2 defensive guys (drafting at 30 ) jmo...
      BTW..I'm a newbie, Been following this board for years, But just started posting, so take it easy on me...lol
      GO STEELERS!
      Exactly what I've been preaching here lately and I think people still don't get it. It's gonna be fun watching defenses (including the Patriots) try and fail to stop this offense.

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      • Real Deal Steel
        Banned
        • Jan 2017
        • 1229

        Originally posted by Captain Lemming
        Most well stated and likely true justification of the pick in this thread.

        Nevertheless, we drafted a corner and safety early last season and went from 30th to 16th in pass defense in one season.
        So yeah, an edge rusher and a couple of DBs early IN A DEEPER SECONDARY draft can make a HUGE difference.

        Still and "average" secondary is easy for Brady to carve up.

        We can go from average to "good" in one season.
        Hopefully the later corners are "steals" that surpass expectations
        Very decent summation captain. I'm standing on the same street corner as you on this one.

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        • feltdizz
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 27531

          Originally posted by Captain Lemming
          And you contested my post that said our receivers are deeper than our secondary. If that is so why did you want not just 1 but 2 secondary players before a receiver INCLUDING a corner as the first pick?

          Its OK if you think Mr "chain mover" was BPA over available secondary players. But please dont try to make a case that you really saw receiver as a bigger need when your own words say otherwise..
          I think our FO thought this was the case. I preferred CB in the first but obviously they still believe OLB pressure is more important than coverage.

          I also believe they were we're going DB second round until their was a run on DB's.

          After looking at JuJu's tape I'm not mad at all. Obviously they had Watt rated higher that the DB's.
          Steelers 27
          Rats 16

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          • feltdizz
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 27531

            Originally posted by Captain Lemming
            Most well stated and likely true justification of the pick in this thread.

            Nevertheless, we drafted a corner and safety early last season and went from 30th to 16th in pass defense in one season.
            So yeah, an edge rusher and a couple of DBs early IN A DEEPER SECONDARY draft can make a HUGE difference.

            Still and "average" secondary is easy for Brady to carve up.

            We can go from average to "good" in one season.
            Hopefully the later corners are "steals" that surpass expectations
            maybe this is why they didn't draft a safety and corner this year in the first and second rounds?
            Steelers 27
            Rats 16

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            • phillyesq
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 7568

              Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
              Ben is able to lead this team up and down the field between the 20's seemingly at will.

              In the red zone, though, it's another story.

              JJSS is an immediate upgrade on Rogers, Ayers, Coates, DHB, etc. in terms of being a legit red zone target for Ben (or contributing as a blocker for Bell or Conner), and should develop into much more than that in time.
              That is a legit point. If they were going to address the red zone offense though, I would have preferred a TE.

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              • Slapstick
                Rookie
                • May 2008
                • 0

                Originally posted by phillyesq
                That is a legit point. If they were going to address the red zone offense though, I would have preferred a TE.
                But, that's the problem with the draft...you don't draft a position, you draft a player...

                We all post about "BPA at a position of need"...so then, do you leave a better player on the board at one need and select a player you have rated lower because the "need" is perceived to be greater?

                I don't think the Steelers do that and Smith-Schuster kind of proves it...
                Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                • phillyesq
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 7568

                  Originally posted by Slapstick
                  But, that's the problem with the draft...you don't draft a position, you draft a player...

                  We all post about "BPA at a position of need"...so then, do you leave a better player on the board at one need and select a player you have rated lower because the "need" is perceived to be greater?

                  I don't think the Steelers do that and Smith-Schuster kind of proves it...
                  The board broke terribly for the Steelers in the second, and I get that. But I'm not sure that I see Smith-Shuster as the BPA. I think a Fabian Moreau - another big, fast corner - or Chris Wormley - another prototype DE for the Steelers system to rotate in as a pass rusher are just two examples of guys that could have helped the D.

                  I like that JuJu will help as a blocker, and now that he's a Steeler, I'm obviously rooting for him to succeed. I just don't love the pick for a variety of reasons, and don't have a good feeling about this draft overall.

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                  • Ghost
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 6338

                    This was from Ed Bouchette:

                    "The next time someone in charge of the Steelers’ draft tries to peddle the idea they select the highest-rated player on the board, ask them if they also have the Liberty Bridge to sell.

                    This is not the first draft in which the Steelers have stuck primarily to filling needs rather than picking their most highly rated and it will not be the last. It just is one perfect example of how it is done, at least through Friday. After that, all bets were off."

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                    • Oviedo
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                      • May 2008
                      • 23824

                      Originally posted by Ghost
                      This was from Ed Bouchette:

                      "The next time someone in charge of the Steelers’ draft tries to peddle the idea they select the highest-rated player on the board, ask them if they also have the Liberty Bridge to sell.

                      This is not the first draft in which the Steelers have stuck primarily to filling needs rather than picking their most highly rated and it will not be the last. It just is one perfect example of how it is done, at least through Friday. After that, all bets were off."

                      "Douchette" is a wind bag who has no clue what he is talking about. How does he know who the Steelers had rated where? Was he in the draft room?
                      "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                      • NorthCoast
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                        • Sep 2008
                        • 26636

                        Originally posted by Cinnjerm3000
                        Exactly what I've been preaching here lately and I think people still don't get it. It's gonna be fun watching defenses (including the Patriots) try and fail to stop this offense.
                        Umm... heard those exact words last season before Bryant was suspended, Bell got hurt, and Green was a no-show for much of the season. Funny how things didn't work out...

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                        • NJ-STEELER
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 12563

                          perhaps JuJu was the BPA.

                          I find it a little ironic in pre draft talk posters had no issues if mahomes or mixon were the picks....because they were BPA.
                          barring injury, those guys probably don't get as many snaps this year as JuJu will get in the offense. and ditto for the folks that wanted to double up on edge rusher in the first 2-3 rounds while having a #1 pick 2 years ago on the other side.

                          PS. I wanted secondary help early on as well, but i think its pretty clear how it didnt work out for us in the 2nd round

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                          • NJ-STEELER
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 12563

                            Originally posted by Oviedo
                            "Douchette" is a wind bag who has no clue what he is talking about. How does he know who the Steelers had rated where? Was he in the draft room?
                            he is a windbag, but i think he's 100% correct on this

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                            • RuthlessBurgher
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                              • May 2008
                              • 33208

                              Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                              perhaps JuJu was the BPA.

                              I find it a little ironic in pre draft talk posters had no issues if mahomes or mixon were the picks....because they were BPA.
                              barring injury, those guys probably don't get as many snaps this year as JuJu will get in the offense. and ditto for the folks that wanted to double up on edge rusher in the first 2-3 rounds while having a #1 pick 2 years ago on the other side.

                              PS. I wanted secondary help early on as well, but i think its pretty clear how it didnt work out for us in the 2nd round
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                              Yeah, I suppose that was the case.

                              If Zach Cunningham or Obi Melifonwu or Chidobe Awuzie or Josh Jones were still on the board at 62, and we picked Juju over them, I would likely be complaining about the pick myself (unfortunately, they all came off the board within the 6 pick preceding ours...personally I would have been trying to trade up into the mid-50's to guarantee myself Zach or Obi, but that's just me).

                              Looking at who was taken in the dozen or so picks after we took JJSS, the only name I was targeting would have been Jordan Willis, but we just addressed OLB at #30 with T.J. Watt.

                              Seems to me that Smith-Schuster was just flat out the best player available at that time, so he was the pick.
                              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                              • phillyesq
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 7568

                                Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
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                                Yeah, I suppose that was the case.

                                If Zach Cunningham or Obi Melifonwu or Chidobe Awuzie or Josh Jones were still on the board at 62, and we picked Juju over them, I would likely be complaining about the pick myself (unfortunately, they all came off the board within the 6 pick preceding ours...personally I would have been trying to trade up into the mid-50's to guarantee myself Zach or Obi, but that's just me).

                                Looking at who was taken in the dozen or so picks after we took JJSS, the only name I was targeting would have been Jordan Willis, but we just addressed OLB at #30 with T.J. Watt.

                                Seems to me that Smith-Schuster was just flat out the best player available at that time, so he was the pick.
                                I would have liked to see the Steelers try to move up in the second as well. Even if they just jumped GB and Dallas, both of whom needed DBs, to grab Awuzie or Jones, I think they'd be in better shape. If they went a little higher and grabbed McMillan, Obi or Cunningham, again, I'd feel a lot better about the draft.

                                The Steelers rarely move, but this might have been a year to do it.

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