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  • SteelerMaine83
    Starter
    • Feb 2013
    • 832

    Cold/Hard Analysis: CB's

    In preparing for the draft, there are lots of thoughts on what the Steelers need most, all with their own different spin. It does seem, however, that most can agree that we definitely need OLB, CB, ILB, and S, with some of the other positions getting varying degrees of love. When you do a cold/hard analysis of the team, you'll see a team that without any further changes should(doesn't mean will) make the playoffs again this year. The impressive 9 game win streak at the end of the season/first two playoff games just didn't provide much comfort, given the results of the AFC Championship game. That result left most feeling the offseason, after taking care of AB and Le'veon, should be mostly about D, and that is coming mostly from the draft (that pickup of Alualu was pretty good, though).

    So, this post breaks down CBs: what we have, and what our thinking seems to be (reading the tea leaves).

    We have currently have 6 CBs on the roster that all can be argued to have a place--doesn't mean they will, but the talent coming in would need to supplant them. Here they are:

    Artie Burns--lock. Continued to improve as the year went on. A boundary CB with the length/size the team is looking for so they can do more press/man.

    Ross Cockrell--Starter, but their low tender on him indicates that they think he may not fit or is not valuable to the team and the direction they are going with the defensive backfield. My guess is that Cockrell is working hard to improve his press/man technique and won't go down without a fight. Has the length/size to stick on the outside. He will compete, but would put him on the potentially expendable list. His age and contributions to the team so far make him a hard and long thought cut.

    William Gay--I love Big Play Willie Gay and his contributions to the team through the years, both on and off the field, but...end of the road is likely close, if not here already. Purely a slot CB at this point, will have to shine to beat out younger competition.

    Coty Sensabaugh--they picked him up for a reason: can play any CB spot and probably a little better at press/man than zone. He probably is a safe bet for the slot CB position if no one else steps up Likely to make the team as reliable depth and ST, if nothing else.

    Senquez Golson--they picked him #2 for a reason. If he can actually make it more that a week in training camp, we may find out why they picked him so high. So, let's assume he stays healthy (big assumption, but others have gone this route before) and plays like the guy they drafted. Probably that would make him front-runner for the starting slot CB. Otherwise, he's on the cutting block.

    Al-Hajj Shabazz--most intriguing of the group, as the Steelers kept him on the 53 without suiting him almost all year. Clearly they didn't want to risk him getting snapped up off the PS. Why? He has outstanding length/size so they think he can hang on the outside, but his small school resume (West Chester) required him to learn. Their actions in the past and their stated direction in the future seems to indicate they want him around. I just feel like this is a guy they like, even if he's a little green. Hard to see him cut? I don't know.

    So, that's 6 CBs, not including the other clear PS/camp fodder guys on the roster. The NFL isn't a collector's sport--you only get to keep/protect so many. Anyone on the PS is always vulnerable to getting snatched, so I would say 6 will make the final 53, with 5 getting a hat on game day. So how does this fact effect the draft?

    I'd say this: if we pick two in the first 4 rounds, we intend to keep them. Although this is a deep CB draft, it does have its limitations: only so many boundary CBs early, and then there are lots of (IMO) pro-ready slot CBs. Later boundaries with the requisite length all have their warts.

    My thoughts are that if we go CB at #1 would be Humphrey (if he were to drop), Kevin King, or Awuzie. The first two are boundaries, Awuzie could be many things, including a great slot CB or even a FS. I think there definitely is a place for him in the D backfield, just not sure where. May be the most sure pick of the three, given his position versatility (although King also has S experience and size). Adoree Jackson has an outside shot because of his first-rate return ability--immediate upgrade to our return teams.

    At #2 and into #3, it looks like the boundaries are pretty much gone (unless you reach for one like Witherspoon--a very poor tackler) but a group of very good slot CBs (D. King, J. Lewis, Kazee, Elder) will be around. R. Douglas and S. Griffin get some love in 3-4 as boundaries with warts.

    Later in the draft it is guys to compete or stash for the future. I like N. Hairston of Temple later (5th-6th) if we only go with one in the first 4 rounds. He is so green (formerly a WR) but has the athleticism and size to stick on the outside. If he gets a scratch maybe we could stash him on IR for the year

    So, given the cold/hard facts on our current CB situation and what is available, I see us drafting one early and dumping either Gay/Golson/Cockrell and drafting one late (which may or may not require dumping another of the three). Any more than that the numbers don't work and you end up trading experienced depth (you know what you have) for inexperienced, total unknowns.

    One other alternative which I really like (and we'll never do) is to draft a slot CB in 2/3 and take next year's#1 (let's face it, no better than #21, no worse than #32--my preferred) and trade it for anyone giving us this year's #2 if Sidney Jones is still available then. You still will, in effect, end up with a #1 for each year, as you sit Jones this year to recover from his injury, learn the system and add 10 lbs of muscle, and in year two you have the slot you picked this year and Jones to start opposite Burns. Also allows you to use the other picks this year to improve at edge and ILB.

    Thoughts?
  • buccoray61
    Starter
    • Jul 2009
    • 945

    #2
    I'm on the Awuzie bandwagon.Four year starter at Colorado who can play all DB positions. I really liked one line I read about him " Polished and ready to start day one in the NFL."'

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    • steeler_george
      Hall of Famer
      • Dec 2008
      • 3417

      #3
      Originally posted by buccoray61
      I'm on the Awuzie bandwagon.Four year starter at Colorado who can play all DB positions. I really liked one line I read about him " Polished and ready to start day one in the NFL."'
      I think, I like him more than Humphries. It's going to get real interesting who slides to us, and who is there when we pick... soooo many ways. I would love if we are somehow ablw to trade back, and get Awuzie, and an Obi, or ILB ( Cunningham/ Mcmillian), OLB with our first 4 picks! I know I am smoking some crack now!

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      • buccoray61
        Starter
        • Jul 2009
        • 945

        #4
        I' m all in on Cunningham also.

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        • SteelerMaine83
          Starter
          • Feb 2013
          • 832

          #5
          Just to be clear, I'm not saying we'll necessarily take a CB at #30, just taking a look at what we have, what we're looking for, and what could happen. I like Awuzie, and his position flexibility (something the Steelers prize), but I'd prefer we take Cunningham (or a few other ILB or OLB prospects) if available at #30.

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          • flippy
            Legend
            • Dec 2008
            • 17088

            #6
            While I want to see us upgrade our DBs in general, I do think we should put the premium on our pass rush. I expect the guys we have in the back will get better having time to play together.

            Our number 1 goal has to be generating pressure with 3-4 guys. Without that pressure, guys like Tom Brady will tear us apart no matter who's playing on the back end.
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            • SteelCrazy
              Legend
              • Aug 2008
              • 5063

              #7
              Originally posted by flippy
              While I want to see us upgrade our DBs in general, I do think we should put the premium on our pass rush. I expect the guys we have in the back will get better having time to play together.

              Our number 1 goal has to be generating pressure with 3-4 guys. Without that pressure, guys like Tom Brady will tear us apart no matter who's playing on the back end.
              Yes. Our pass rush is are most important tool on passing downs. We need to take care if it in the 1st Rd.
              2019 Mock

              1. ILB
              2. CB
              3. ILB
              4. S
              5. CB
              6. ILB
              7. S

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              • Real Deal Steel
                Banned
                • Jan 2017
                • 1229

                #8
                That's what I feel; I can only hope that Colbert feels the same way.

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                • SteelerOfDeVille
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 9072

                  #9
                  Call me crazy, but....
                  Artie is an NFL starter; I don't think the team has a proven starter next to him.
                  Cockrell belongs on the team, but, not as a starter.
                  Sensabaugh vs Gay will be a "veteran CB" position battle
                  Senquez -- well, he just needs to stay healthy so we can at least see what he can do

                  I'm with the others... I'm ok with a CB if one is on the board that is 1) capable of being a starter and 2) prevents a reach at some other position. However, if a good LB is there (inside or out) then I'd have to go with that position first. There are so many good players at positions of need, I don't see a reach. At all. CB, S, ILB, OLB and TE are all legit possibilities in the first.
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                  • RuthlessBurgher
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 33208

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                    Call me crazy, but....
                    Artie is an NFL starter; I don't think the team has a proven starter next to him.
                    Cockrell belongs on the team, but, not as a starter.
                    Sensabaugh vs Gay will be a "veteran CB" position battle
                    Senquez -- well, he just needs to stay healthy so we can at least see what he can do

                    I'm with the others... I'm ok with a CB if one is on the board that is 1) capable of being a starter and 2) prevents a reach at some other position. However, if a good LB is there (inside or out) then I'd have to go with that position first. There are so many good players at positions of need, I don't see a reach. At all. CB, S, ILB, OLB and TE are all legit possibilities in the first.
                    Yeah...Marlon Humphrey, Obi Melifonwu, Zach Cunningham, T.J. Watt, or David Njoku are all legit possibilities at #30, depending how the board falls.
                    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                    • Real Deal Steel
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2017
                      • 1229

                      #11
                      Ruth,

                      For example, if they took Cunningham, wouldn't it be easier to make Cunningham the ILB and move Shazier to the OLB to take advantage of his speed in coverage? Do we still need to worry about his being fragile like early on or is that not a consideration in moving him to possibly OLB?

                      Because with Gronk back, I'd love the option of Shazier covering him if needed.

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                      • SteelerOfDeVille
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 9072

                        #12
                        Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                        Yeah...Marlon Humphrey, Obi Melifonwu, Zach Cunningham, T.J. Watt, or David Njoku are all legit possibilities at #30, depending how the board falls.
                        honestly, i think Tak McKinley is in play there, too; Wouldn't be surprised if TJ and Charles Harris leapfrog him due to his shoulder surgery... hard to draft a guy that may not be ready for camp (AND will likely miss minicamp).
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                        • SteelCrazy
                          Legend
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 5063

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Real Deal Steel
                          Ruth,

                          For example, if they took Cunningham, wouldn't it be easier to make Cunningham the ILB and move Shazier to the OLB to take advantage of his speed in coverage? Do we still need to worry about his being fragile like early on or is that not a consideration in moving him to possibly OLB?

                          Because with Gronk back, I'd love the option of Shazier covering him if needed.
                          Shazier is staying put in the middle...OLB is totally different from his skill set.
                          2019 Mock

                          1. ILB
                          2. CB
                          3. ILB
                          4. S
                          5. CB
                          6. ILB
                          7. S

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                          • Real Deal Steel
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2017
                            • 1229

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SteelCrazy
                            Shazier is staying put in the middle...OLB is totally different from his skill set.
                            Come to think of it, your right because Shazier on the edge is not a pretty thought trying to get after through all that O-line traffic. I was strictly thinking of coverage alone. My bad.

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                            • SteelCrazy
                              Legend
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 5063

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Real Deal Steel
                              Come to think of it, your right because Shazier on the edge is not a pretty thought trying to get after through all that O-line traffic. I was strictly thinking of coverage alone. My bad.
                              Coverage alone, yes he'd be awesome
                              2019 Mock

                              1. ILB
                              2. CB
                              3. ILB
                              4. S
                              5. CB
                              6. ILB
                              7. S

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