AB's deal I think is done

[Shawn]

but since we already have the franchise QB...

I'm not really getting your point.

Yeah, I don't get it either. Since we do have a franchise QB, why wouldn't you surround him with weapons? The logic makes zero sense.

[Shawn]

haven't seen one post saying its a bad thing. just some discussion about how or if paying a WR that much $$ actually helps you win a super bowl and I believe that a valid discussion. not making the Wallace comparison but some here we adamant that no WR was worth the kind of $$ he wanted. now that its AB which some here seem to have a mancrush on, its a great signing. can't have it both ways

my position is that it had to be done to keep this team in the hunt while we have BB. if he retires halfway through, then the amount of money we will be paying a WR is foolish.

I can live with the signing and hope AB makes a similar play like he made against the ravens next year to win a Superbowl, but you can also argue the other side and question the wisdom of tyijng up that much $$ in a WR

Unless you have a QB named Brady, most teams need receiving weapons to compete for a Super Bowl. Shoot, the Steelers wouldn't have won SB XLIII without Santonio Holmes.

Paying AB isn't keeping us from keeping Ben or Bell. Getting him with only 19 million guaranteed gives us leeway to move on him later if needed. I don't see why you or anyone else would have a problem with this signing.

[squidkid]

glad he is a steeler but that price seems kinda high for a guy that was given extra money last year for no reason and had a year left on his current contract. throw in the fact that this got done so fast, seems like the rooneys couldnt wait to pay him top dollar.
oh well, its done. lets hope they dont over pay bell now

[Eddie Spaghetti]

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Unless you have a QB named Brady, most teams need receiving weapons to compete for a Super Bowl. Shoot, the Steelers wouldn't have won SB XLIII without Santonio Holmes.

Paying AB isn't keeping us from keeping Ben or Bell. Getting him with only 19 million guaranteed gives us leeway to move on him later if needed. I don't see why you or anyone else would have a problem with this signing.

where have I said I have a problem with the signing? I've said twice already I'm good with it provided Ben is throwing the ball to him

I'm just saying that there is a discussion to be had about paying a WR that much money. we also won a SB with Hines, randel el, and cedric wilson

[BradshawsHairdresser]

but since we already have the franchise QB...

I'm not really getting your point.

Yeah, I don't get it either.

These were some of the comments in this thread:

"I hate to keep using the Patriots as the example but they are the road block. I believe that if the Patriots were offered something good for Gronk that they would trade him in a NY minute if they believed it would make the team better, they just won the SB w/o him. The only player on that team that has any security is Tom Brady and rightfully so.

I think the Steeler organization gets enamored with keeping their stars as Steelers for life rather than trying to improve to win a Super Bowl. And, as a fan, I'm fine with it, because it is nice to see many of the same popular faces year after year, but winning a Super Bowl could need some different thinking."


"These are all my concerns as well. Isn't paying Brown all this money a sign of how we've allowed our wide receiver corps to deteriorate? It has never been "our way" to make anyone the highest paid player at that position. Isn't that a red flag?"


"What 'reeks' in all of this to me, if we would be announcing that Ben just signed another 100+ million dollar extension, right now, even at his age, there would be fanfare and hoopla all through this place. When Decastro signed his 'Big' second contract nobody said a bad word about it. Even though I did not think he was worth the money he got. Here it is that are best and most reliable playmaker just got his just due, after not even being in the top 20 of the highest paid wide receivers over the past few years. And some of our fans think it is a bad thing. Oh well! We all have our perogatives!"


Following those comments, I wrote: "I'm not one who's saying the AB signing is all "bad." But I don't think it's foolish to believe that it's a lot easier to win a Super Bowl without a top-five WR than it is to win one without a franchise QB."



If you still can't get the point of what I wrote? Try going back and reading it all again, slowly.

[Shawn]

These were some of the comments in this thread:

"I hate to keep using the Patriots as the example but they are the road block. I believe that if the Patriots were offered something good for Gronk that they would trade him in a NY minute if they believed it would make the team better, they just won the SB w/o him. The only player on that team that has any security is Tom Brady and rightfully so.

I think the Steeler organization gets enamored with keeping their stars as Steelers for life rather than trying to improve to win a Super Bowl. And, as a fan, I'm fine with it, because it is nice to see many of the same popular faces year after year, but winning a Super Bowl could need some different thinking."


"These are all my concerns as well. Isn't paying Brown all this money a sign of how we've allowed our wide receiver corps to deteriorate? It has never been "our way" to make anyone the highest paid player at that position. Isn't that a red flag?"


"What 'reeks' in all of this to me, if we would be announcing that Ben just signed another 100+ million dollar extension, right now, even at his age, there would be fanfare and hoopla all through this place. When Decastro signed his 'Big' second contract nobody said a bad word about it. Even though I did not think he was worth the money he got. Here it is that are best and most reliable playmaker just got his just due, after not even being in the top 20 of the highest paid wide receivers over the past few years. And some of our fans think it is a bad thing. Oh well! We all have our perogatives!"


Following those comments, I wrote: "I'm not one who's saying the AB signing is all "bad." But I don't think it's foolish to believe that it's a lot easier to win a Super Bowl without a top-five WR than it is to win one without a franchise QB."



If you still can't get the point of what I wrote? Try going back and reading it all again, slowly.

How does letting Brown go make the Steelers better?

[squidkid]

How does letting Brown go make the Steelers better?

how many quality FAs could you buy with browns money?

[RuthlessBurgher]

glad he is a steeler but that price seems kinda high for a guy that was given extra money last year for no reason and had a year left on his current contract. throw in the fact that this got done so fast, seems like the rooneys couldnt wait to pay him top dollar.
oh well, its done. lets hope they dont over pay bell now

He wasn't just given more money last year for no reason. Although it was a "good faith" move by the club, it wasn't just some gift. It was a contract restructuring, which impacted the team's cap number. $4 million from his 2017 salary was given to him in 2016. Specifically, $8.975M was converted into a bonus which was spread throughout 2 seasons for cap purposes. Because of this action last season, his 2017 base salary was scheduled to be $4M and change. Then we added $68 million of new money for 4 additional years, meaning that he is now under contract for 5 total season for $72M and change ($19M of which is guaranteed).

[Real Deal Steel]

haven't seen one post saying its a bad thing. just some discussion about how or if paying a WR that much $$ actually helps you win a super bowl and I believe that a valid discussion. not making the Wallace comparison but some here we adamant that no WR was worth the kind of $$ he wanted. now that its AB which some here seem to have a mancrush on, its a great signing. can't have it both ways

my position is that it had to be done to keep this team in the hunt while we have BB. if he retires halfway through, then the amount of money we will be paying a WR is foolish.

I can live with the signing and hope AB makes a similar play like he made against the ravens next year to win a Superbowl, but you can also argue the other side and question the wisdom of tyijng up that much $$ in a WR

Thank you. That's all anyone is questioning. At the end of the day, for me, it's not about anything other then us getting another Super Bowl Trophy. And paying a wide reciever this much money which could hamper us from doing anything else significant in other areas of deficiency is concerning to me and others.

Are we a better team with Brown? Absolutely. But you must also take into account that we normally don't do things in this type of fiscal manner. We are the organization that is usually well stocked and if someone wants big money, we usually let them walk.

[williar]

how many quality FAs could you buy with browns money?

You could make the same argument for any of our upper end free agents we chose to resign. And when have the steelers been big free agent participants? I think the bottom line is, the steelers keep the players they want to keep and the ones they don't they let them walk. The steelers are very deliberate in how they choose to spend their money. I trust them.

[feltdizz]

glad he is a steeler but that price seems kinda high for a guy that was given extra money last year for no reason and had a year left on his current contract. throw in the fact that this got done so fast, seems like the rooneys couldnt wait to pay him top dollar.
oh well, its done. lets hope they dont over pay bell now

for no reason? He outplayed his contract and this game is still a business... he was paid accordingly.

[Real Deal Steel]

He wasn't just given more money last year for no reason. Although it was a "good faith" move by the club, it wasn't just some gift. It was a contract restructuring, which impacted the team's cap number. $4 million from his 2017 salary was given to him in 2016. Specifically, $8.975M was converted into a bonus which was spread throughout 2 seasons for cap purposes. Because of this action last season, his 2017 base salary was scheduled to be $4M and change. Then we added $68 million of new money for 4 additional years, meaning that he is now under contract for 5 total season for $72M and change ($19M of which is guaranteed).

And under this structure, he could be let go in two years too. Not saying he will but the option is there. As an organazation, you need options and contingencies.

[feltdizz]

Yeah, I don't get it either. Since we do have a franchise QB, why wouldn't you surround him with weapons? The logic makes zero sense.

Exactly. I get what he is saying but since we have a franchise QB already why wouldn't you keep his favorite weapon?

[Real Deal Steel]

Exactly. I get what he is saying but since we have a franchise QB already why wouldn't you keep his favorite weapon?

True........................

[feltdizz]

hey, as long as AB gets his 100, right?

Yup, because when he does that we usually win.

But who who cares about winning. It's much more fun to complain about TD celebrations and a FB post.