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  • Real Deal Steel
    Banned
    • Jan 2017
    • 1229

    #16
    Originally posted by BradshawsHairdresser
    I think he said something to the effect of, "They've only faced me once in the playoffs."
    Yeah, but beaten you 5 times in a row regardless while still playing the same zone.

    If it hadn't worked in the regular season, why would it magically work in the playoffs?

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    • squidkid
      Legend
      • Feb 2012
      • 5847

      #17
      Originally posted by Real Deal Steel
      Yeah, but beaten you 5 times in a row regardless while still playing the same zone.

      If it hadn't worked in the regular season, why would it magically work in the playoffs?

      trickeration. the pats thought we would switch it up so tomlin kept it the same to fool them.
      steelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clown

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      • Cinnjerm3000
        Backup
        • Sep 2014
        • 270

        #18
        Originally posted by NorthCoast
        One could have a legitimate argument that OAK is closer to SB ready than the Steelers. Sans Carr's injury they could have inflicted some damage in the playoffs.
        Couldn't disagree more. 1. I understand we have problems when it comes to Brady, but Oakland's defense had problems with every team they faced every week (IE they're putrid). 2. We beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead, IMHO a much taller order then beating the Raiders in the Black Hole. 3. Maybe you as well as many other Steelers fans forgot, but when Bryant is playing, there's no pass defense in the league (including the Cheats) that can stop both him and Brown. Not making excuses for 2016, but even without Bell a year before, our offense was trashing much better defenses than the 2016 Patriots.

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        • Real Deal Steel
          Banned
          • Jan 2017
          • 1229

          #19
          Originally posted by squidkid
          trickeration. the pats thought we would switch it up so tomlin kept it the same to fool them.
          Hahahahahaha

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          • NorthCoast
            Legend
            • Sep 2008
            • 26636

            #20
            Originally posted by Cinnjerm3000
            Couldn't disagree more. 1. I understand we have problems when it comes to Brady, but Oakland's defense had problems with every team they faced every week (IE they're putrid). 2. We beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead, IMHO a much taller order then beating the Raiders in the Black Hole. 3. Maybe you as well as many other Steelers fans forgot, but when Bryant is playing, there's no pass defense in the league (including the Cheats) that can stop both him and Brown. Not making excuses for 2016, but even without Bell a year before, our offense was trashing much better defenses than the 2016 Patriots.
            Nice to think about, but it's only happened six times in their careers when both have been on the field together.
            And in only 2 of those games did the pair break a combined 200 yds receiving.

            Matt freakin Ryan had JJones and collection of others and still should have won the SB. Does it really take two #1 WRs to put points on the board? There just seems to be something broken with the way the Steelers offense is put together.
            Last edited by NorthCoast; 02-22-2017, 08:14 PM.

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            • SteelerMaine83
              Starter
              • Feb 2013
              • 826

              #21
              Originally posted by Shawn
              I would love to see a zone man mix cover 2 type scheme. Lots of bump with over the top coverage and a couple linebackers keeping Brady honest with some zone coverage. Shoot, couldn't be any worse could it?
              If the Steelers had done this versus the Pats, it may have been a one score game at the end. Hopefully we see that next time we see them. That said, the zone D could have been a lot better, too. Everytime they play the Pats they all stop doing their job and play really bad zone. With better execution they may have forced a few more punts. That's the main difference--if NE plays zone the whole game, it works, because they almost unfailingly trust each other and do their jobs. Our D fell apart, showed nontrust in each other and didn't do their jobs.

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              • SteelerMaine83
                Starter
                • Feb 2013
                • 826

                #22
                Originally posted by NorthCoast
                Nice to think about, but it's only happened six times in their careers when both have been on the field together. Matt freakin Ryan had JJones and collection of others and still should have won the SB. Does it really take two #1 WRs to put points on the board? There just seems to be something broken with the way the Steelers offense is put together.
                It's that redzone offense that is broken. When we go 5 wide in that tight, it usually is a drive killer. We stuff 5 receivers in a small space with 6 guys in coverage. Total chaos--at least threaten the run.

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                • Sugar
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 3700

                  #23
                  The Steelers had a really good team in 2016/17. They will probably have a really good one in 2017/18 as well. The fact is that the Patriots are on another level from everyone else, not just the Steelers. I'm not saying they can't be beaten, I'm just saying it's not likely unless there are significant injuries or something. While many Steelers fans hate to admit it, Brady and BB are two of the best ever. They find ways to beat really good teams. IMO, unless NE shows some sign of weakness that we don't know about, they should continue to be the favorites, not just for the AFC, but for the whole enchilada.

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                  • NorthCoast
                    Legend
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 26636

                    #24
                    Originally posted by SteelerMaine83
                    If the Steelers had done this versus the Pats, it may have been a one score game at the end. Hopefully we see that next time we see them. That said, the zone D could have been a lot better, too. Everytime they play the Pats they all stop doing their job and play really bad zone. With better execution they may have forced a few more punts. That's the main difference--if NE plays zone the whole game, it works, because they almost unfailingly trust each other and do their jobs. Our D fell apart, showed nontrust in each other and didn't do their jobs.
                    I buy the 'poor execution' argument for a game or two. The Steelers defense against NE has systemic problems when it happens repeatedly over a number of games, seasons, player rosters, and even coaches.

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                    • winwithd
                      Starter
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 895

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Sugar
                      The Steelers had a really good team in 2016/17. They will probably have a really good one in 2017/18 as well. The fact is that the Patriots are on another level from everyone else, not just the Steelers. I'm not saying they can't be beaten, I'm just saying it's not likely unless there are significant injuries or something. While many Steelers fans hate to admit it, Brady and BB are two of the best ever. They find ways to beat really good teams. IMO, unless NE shows some sign of weakness that we don't know about, they should continue to be the favorites, not just for the AFC, but for the whole enchilada.

                      Belicheck could win with any of a number of different QB s in the league right now, much less ever, so let's get past this nonsense that Brady is one of the best ever. It just so happens that it's Brady who has been with Belicheat for so long so he reaps the benefits of playing in an ideal place for any QB. The Pats are a very complete, disciplined, well-coached, well-run TEAM. But they can be beaten, we are just a few pieces away. One of those pieces might be better scheming by the Coordinators, both O and D.

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                      • Starlifter
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 5078

                        #26
                        if's and butt's etc.......

                        there are a lot of reasons why the pats have dominated us - but the two main ones are brady and bellichick. they aren't going anywhere. that doesn't mean it's a lost cause - and with a healthy team there's certainly a good chance we can beat them at heinz next season.

                        but as for the odds of us beating them TWICE in a season with the second game likely in NE thanks to the steelers yearly fascination with losing 2-3 games to teams that will only win 2-3 games all year, well.............
                        2014 MNF EXEC CHAMPION!!!

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                        • SteelerMaine83
                          Starter
                          • Feb 2013
                          • 826

                          #27
                          Originally posted by NorthCoast
                          I buy the 'poor execution' argument for a game or two. The Steelers defense against NE has systemic problems when it happens repeatedly over a number of games, seasons, player rosters, and even coaches.
                          yeah. I agree with that totally. I was just observing that the D when we play NE (and specifically Brady) spend a lot of our time in zone not covering the assigned parts of the zone. You can't bail on your piece of the zone until the ball leaves the QB's hand. So a change of scheme versus the Pats is definitely in order, but the lack of discipline when they play zone against the Pats is also pretty horrible.

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                          • Eich
                            Legend
                            • Jul 2010
                            • 7043

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Shawn
                            I would love to see a zone man mix cover 2 type scheme. Lots of bump with over the top coverage and a couple linebackers keeping Brady honest with some zone coverage. Shoot, couldn't be any worse could it?

                            You and everyone else on the planet, except for Tomlin and Butler apparently.

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                            • Slapstick
                              Rookie
                              • May 2008
                              • 0

                              #29
                              Originally posted by SteelerMaine83
                              yeah. I agree with that totally. I was just observing that the D when we play NE (and specifically Brady) spend a lot of our time in zone not covering the assigned parts of the zone. You can't bail on your piece of the zone until the ball leaves the QB's hand. So a change of scheme versus the Pats is definitely in order, but the lack of discipline when they play zone against the Pats is also pretty horrible.
                              T

                              This is the main problem, IMO...it is as though they forget how to actually play zone when lining up against the Pats**...
                              Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                              • BradshawsHairdresser
                                Legend
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 7056

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Slapstick
                                T

                                This is the main problem, IMO...it is as though they forget how to actually play zone when lining up against the Pats**...
                                Lack of discipline in zone vs. Pats was definitely a problem (lack of discipline in various aspects bit them all season long), but Brady would've carved up the Steelers' D even if they'd been more disciplined -- it just wouldn't have gotten so lopsided so quickly. You give his receivers the kind of cushion that the Steelers routinely give receivers in their zone coverage, and it's a recipe for Brady dominance -- it's been true for years.

                                SteelerMaine has it right about the red zone offense, though. That 5-wide formation down there doesn't seem to be working all that well most of the time.

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