Should Steelers Move on From Ben?

[feltdizz]

Exactly, that's what people fail to either understand or remember. Between Bradshaw (last played full time in '82) and Ben (drafted in '04) the best three full time starters were easily:

O'Donnell '92-'95
Kordell '97-'02 but lost his starting job twice during that time
Maddox '02-'03 injured and lost his job to Ben during game 2 of '04

Once Ben is gone then chances are that you become another one of those teams on the QB treadmill chasing the next Ben. Last time it took 22 years. Hopefully it won't take quite as long next time but I'm in no hurry to find out.

everyone understands and most remember.

what you don't understand is just because it happened once doesn't mean it will happen again. One thing is certain. Ben will retire and the Steelers will still be in Pittsburgh with a competitive team. Noll stayed too long. That was part of the problem but he earned the right to go out the way he wanted. Cowher was from the Schotty coaching tree and that guy doesn't care for good QB play. It was all running game and defense and that worked out pretty well even though we never won a SB.

I get it.. the past is all we have to work with but if oyu comb through those 22 years there are 11 playoff appearances, 5 conference championship appearances and 1 SB appearance.

That's not bad when you consider the QB's we had. Once you add in the turnover from the 70's dynasty you have a pretty impressive run for a franchise.

I'm not concerned because we have Colbert drafting for us and he has been money way more times than not.

[NJ-STEELER]

does his wife and family travel for away games? I wonder if Ben has turned into a softy on the road simply because he is a family man now. Missed the kids and the wife.

my priorities changed immensely once my kid was born.

The yinzer post of the day

Lol

[NJ-STEELER]

I agree with the first part but we have no idea what the next QB will bring to the table. It's foolish to think we will have another 20 year drought because of the last one. We could pick the QB from UNC in the second round and he may be the truth.

What's San Fran done since Montana and young?
Steelers between bradshaw and ben
Buffalo since Kelly
Dallas has won 2 playoff games in 20 years since airman left
Cincy has had great rosters yet can win a postseason game Smith their qb.
What's Miami accomplished since Marino left?
What dafuk did NE ever do before Brady?
OAKLAND between Carr and cannon?
Colts before and after manning


Yeah. GB lucked out going from farce to rodgers, Cause rodgers fell in the draft but it doesn't happen often.
And even with 2 HOFers at qb for all those years they've won as many title as big Ben has.

[feltdizz]

What's San Fran done since Montana and young?
Steelers between bradshaw and ben
Buffalo since Kelly
Dallas has won 2 playoff games in 20 years since airman left
Cincy has had great rosters yet can win a postseason game Smith their qb.
What's Miami accomplished since Marino left?
What dafuk did NE ever do before Brady?
OAKLAND between Carr and cannon?
Colts before and after manning


Yeah. GB lucked out going from farce to rodgers, Cause rodgers fell in the draft but it doesn't happen often.
And even with 2 HOFers at qb for all those years they've won as many title as big Ben has.

San Fran had a team who went to the SB and lost in an NFCCG before they ran their coach out of town. That guy has brought Michigan back from the depths to contenders in 2 years. The FO is awful in SF.

Buffalo? They fired a coach after 2 seasons because he wouldn't bench the QB because they were scared if he got hurt they would have to pay him 30 million. Why even have that clause in a players contract? Again, that's FO failing

Dallas? Your mean the team who just went 14-2 and is set up for a few SB runs if the owner stays out the way? The same owner who ran Jimmy Johnson off because he wanted all the glory? Again, FO woes

Its Cincy, they have to play us.

What did Miami accomplish WITH Marino after his SB appearance his second year?

What did NE do before Billicheat? What did NE do without Brady and Billicheat? That's right... they went 3-1 with no name QBs and this year and went 11-5 with Cassell

Who cares.. it's Oakland

Colts just fired there GM. He was trash. They have Luck but failed to surround him with talent. The GM was on record saying he couldn't let a 35 year old washed vet go so he gave him stupid money. They hired a head doctor to see if the HC HC and GM could coexist because they hated each other.

See, in most of these examples there is a common denominator. Terrible FO's that get in the way instead of hiring the right people to make the right decisions. We don't have that problem in Pittsburgh. When it comes to winning we are a top 3 franchise over the last 30 years or so. I'm not suggesting we run Ben out of town but when he leaves I think we won't be as awful as some suggest. We have a culture of winning and we draft extremely well.

[tiproast]

What dafuk did NE ever do before Brady?

Parcells took the DrewBledsoe/CurtisMartin/TerryGlenn version of the team to the Super Bowl following the 1996 season.

We thought we were building a team using the same model as the TroyAikman/EmmettSmith/MichaelIrvin Cowboys.

We were wrong, but it was still a pretty fun team to watch. Then Parcells blew it up by going to the Jets and taking Martin with him.

C'est la vie.

[Oviedo]

everyone understands and most remember.

what you don't understand is just because it happened once doesn't mean it will happen again. One thing is certain. Ben will retire and the Steelers will still be in Pittsburgh with a competitive team. Noll stayed too long. That was part of the problem but he earned the right to go out the way he wanted. Cowher was from the Schotty coaching tree and that guy doesn't care for good QB play. It was all running game and defense and that worked out pretty well even though we never won a SB.

I get it.. the past is all we have to work with but if oyu comb through those 22 years there are 11 playoff appearances, 5 conference championship appearances and 1 SB appearance.

That's not bad when you consider the QB's we had. Once you add in the turnover from the 70's dynasty you have a pretty impressive run for a franchise.

I'm not concerned because we have Colbert drafting for us and he has been money way more times than not.

Tell me what team in recent memory have gotten 2 high quality QBs in a row without hitting rock bottom first?

Maybe Green Bay with Favre and Rogers but Rogers falling to the bottom of the 1st round was a fluke. To get Luck, Indy had to have Manning injured and have the worst record in the NFL and they still aren't back.

[NJ-STEELER]

San Fran had a team who went to the SB and lost in an NFCCG before they ran their coach out of town. That guy has brought Michigan back from the depths to contenders in 2 years. The FO is awful in SF.

Buffalo? They fired a coach after 2 seasons because he wouldn't bench the QB because they were scared if he got hurt they would have to pay him 30 million. Why even have that clause in a players contract? Again, that's FO failing

Dallas? Your mean the team who just went 14-2 and is set up for a few SB runs if the owner stays out the way? The same owner who ran Jimmy Johnson off because he wanted all the glory? Again, FO woes

Its Cincy, they have to play us.

What did Miami accomplish WITH Marino after his SB appearance his second year?

What did NE do before Billicheat? What did NE do without Brady and Billicheat? That's right... they went 3-1 with no name QBs and this year and went 11-5 with Cassell

Who cares.. it's Oakland

Colts just fired there GM. He was trash. They have Luck but failed to surround him with talent. The GM was on record saying he couldn't let a 35 year old washed vet go so he gave him stupid money. They hired a head doctor to see if the HC HC and GM could coexist because they hated each other.

See, in most of these examples there is a common denominator. Terrible FO's that get in the way instead of hiring the right people to make the right decisions. We don't have that problem in Pittsburgh. When it comes to winning we are a top 3 franchise over the last 30 years or so. I'm not suggesting we run Ben out of town but when he leaves I think we won't be as awful as some suggest. We have a culture of winning and we draft extremely well.

The culture of winning didn't win anything between bradshaw and Ben. Is your goal to be competitive or to win a title.
This is a quarterbacks league. Tough To assume your getting someone just as good as the HOF you have now that can bring you a title.
Currently there is 1 example in green bay. I don't like those odds.
Hopefully im wrong and the culture of winning FO won't take another 20 years to find that guy

[Captain Lemming]

Tell me what team in recent memory have gotten 2 high quality QBs in a row without hitting rock bottom first?

In the 01, 02 season the New England Pats used 2 high quality QBs that beat us in ONE GAME.

[Captain Lemming]

Parcells took the DrewBledsoe/CurtisMartin/TerryGlenn version of the team to the Super Bowl following the 1996 season.

We thought we were building a team using the same model as the TroyAikman/EmmettSmith/MichaelIrvin Cowboys.

We were wrong, but it was still a pretty fun team to watch. Then Parcells blew it up by going to the Jets and taking Martin with him.

C'est la vie.

Steve Grogan was also pretty good in the 70s

[tiproast]

Steve Grogan was also pretty good in the 70s

Loved to watch Grogan throw to Stanley Morgan. The Fairbanks teams with Sam Bam and Russ Francis, John Hannah and Leon Gray - they were sometimes strong, but never well-balanced enough to be consistent winners.

Thanks for bringing up Grogan - nice to see that his time in the league hasn't been forgotten.

[Captain Lemming]

Loved to watch Grogan throw to Stanley Morgan. The Fairbanks teams with Sam Bam and Russ Francis, John Hannah and Leon Gray - they were sometimes strong, but never well-balanced enough to be consistent winners.

Thanks for bringing up Grogan - nice to see that his time in the league hasn't been forgotten.

Francis was from Hawaii (went to High school with my wife) so we got a lot of Pats pub back then.
The year the Raiders won it all (76?) that was a pretty scary Pats team, tore our Steeler team up.

I got to talk to Russ years later, told him I was a Steeler fan and he said he had good games versus the Steelers because we would defense the run and the wideouts at the expense of the tight ends.
He had some awesome Jack Lambert stories said he was scary fo-real. He said dude acted crazy in games. Said Lambert literally bit his leg like a maniac under a pile.

[feltdizz]

The culture of winning didn't win anything between bradshaw and Ben. Is your goal to be competitive or to win a title.
This is a quarterbacks league. Tough To assume your getting someone just as good as the HOF you have now that can bring you a title.
Currently there is 1 example in green bay. I don't like those odds.
Hopefully im wrong and the culture of winning FO won't take another 20 years to find that guy

We won a lot of games over those 20 years.

I know now some fans believe if you don't win the SB the season was a failure but that's a horrible way to enjoy football.

[tiproast]

The year the Raiders won it all (76?) that was a pretty scary Pats team, tore our Steeler team up.

Ah yes, the 1976 playoffs and the Ben Dreith call against Sugar Bear Hamilton for RTP on Ken Stabler. It took 25 years to get the make-up call for that one (Tuck Rule).

Nice story about Russ - always seemed to me to be a really cool guy (he's from Hawaii, after all).

[RuthlessBurgher]

Loved to watch Grogan throw to Stanley Morgan. The Fairbanks teams with Sam Bam and Russ Francis, John Hannah and Leon Gray - they were sometimes strong, but never well-balanced enough to be consistent winners.

Thanks for bringing up Grogan - nice to see that his time in the league hasn't been forgotten.

It's hard to forget a QB who wore a neck roll.

Those old unis were waaaaaaaay better than the current Flying Elvis model.

Judging by your Pat Patriot avatar, I'm guessing you agree.

[tiproast]

It's hard to forget a QB who wore a neck roll.

Those old unis were waaaaaaaay better than the current Flying Elvis model.

Judging by your Pat Patriot avatar, I'm guessing you agree.

Yes, loved the old unis.