Definition of Bust

[Ernie]

Zeke is truly that gifted, and Jones isn't that good. Do I believe Jones to be a bad player? No. Do I believe him to be a bust? For a first round pick yes. He doesn't have the speed to cover or rush the pass. We will be looking for an upgrade in the first two rounds of this draft.

I don't know about you guys...but I'm getting sick of us drafting front 7 in the first round...

especially for the production (or lackthereof) that we'd been getting.

[Mr.wizard]

I think at some point you have to start questioning the scheme.

[RuthlessBurgher]

I don't know about you guys...but I'm getting sick of us drafting front 7 in the first round...

especially for the production (or lackthereof) that we'd been getting.

Imagine how bad it would be without 1st rounder Cam Heyward, 1st rounder Ryan Shazier, and 2nd rounder Stephon Tuitt. There is also still much hope for 1st rounder Bud Dupree as well. Ignoring the all-important front 7 with our early picks would be foolhardy.

[feltdizz]

I think at some point you have to start questioning the scheme.

This is true

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

OK. semantics at this point. How about not worth his paycheck? JJones is making 50% more than JH and producing 50% less.

True, it's semantics, but that was the title of the thread..."definition of a bust". I'm not defending him as a player or a first rounder by any means. He is disappointing, not worth the draft status, barely worth his current paycheck (cap hit of $2.7M on his rookie contract) but nowhere near what they would have to pay if they picked up his option for next year.

[sportfiction]

Considering how much I liked the guy back in 2011/12, I must say that Cortez Allen became quite a bust.

[Oviedo]

Ask friends in Cleveland what the definition of a bust is. From 2012 to 2014, they had 5 first round picks, including 3rd overall, 6th overall, 8th overall, and two selections at 22nd overall. They used those picks to add Trent Richardson, Barkevious Mingo, Justin Gilbert, Brandon Weeden, and Johnny Manziel. Jarvis Jones looks like Superman compared to that drafting mess.

So the only way to make Jones look good is to compare him to Cleveland mistakes. I think that says it all.

[Slapstick]

Or, you could compare him to the other players in his draft class...

[Captain Lemming]

I have hopes for Dupree b/c he's got the size to rush the passer.
He will NOT be this bad. Especially if he's given 4 yrs to prove it.

He alrady is WORLDS better as a pass rusher.
It took Dupree 8 games as a rookie backup to have 4 sacks. JJ has 5 in his career.

[RuthlessBurgher]

So the only way to make Jones look good is to compare him to Cleveland mistakes. I think that says it all.

No idea used the Cleveland examples to explain "the definition of a bust"