Dick Lebeau- Game has passed him by? His defense cannot generate sacks?

[Captain Lemming]

We have 8 sacks on the season.

The Titans have had 22- They lead the league (albeit having a game head start)
6, 6, 2, 2, in the last four weeks.
6 sacks against the fins THE WEEK BEFORE THEY DESTROYED US.

They have MORE SACKS ON FIRST DOWN than we have total.

Is my point that DL would make a difference on our injury riddled defense?
Not at all. I like Butler BECAUSE he learned from the best and is younger.

My point is that TALENT was the problem with our aging defense then and our beat up defense now.

It never was the DC.

[phillyesq]

The Titans are also a top 10 run defense. There is still value to being able to stop the run.

The Titans have improved to being a .500 team, a huge step from where they were last year. And they've done it by trying to emulate the Steelers teams of the 2005 vintage.

[feltdizz]

He's gone....

[SteelerOfDeVille]

http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2016/10/28/steelers-set-to-have-historic-amounts-of-salary-cap-space-in-2017/?ref=yfp

I suspect they'll solve it here... though, some of that free money will be tied up in Bell and Brown, i could see a splash FA signing of a pass rusher.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

We have ...

I think people felt he didn't seem to be put together game plans that acknowledged the lower skill of the players on the field.

But why bring this up now? I'm pretty p.o.'d we let Dan Marino walk, but I'm not starting a new thread about it .

[Captain Lemming]

I think people felt he didn't seem to be put together game plans that acknowledged the lower skill of the players on the field.

But why bring this up now? I'm pretty p.o.'d we let Dan Marino walk, but I'm not starting a new thread about it .

I bring it up because "certain people" kept implying he was the problem all last year when our team made "modest" improvement which had nada to do with coaching but rather new and improving young talent.

If some continue to bash him even though he is gone, you bet some of us will show up when he shows the foolishness of the assertion that he ever was the problem.

[Captain Lemming]

He's gone....

Speaking of "certain people" hi Dizz.
Can you call OV to this thread

[steelguin]

http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2016/10/28/steelers-set-to-have-historic-amounts-of-salary-cap-space-in-2017/?ref=yfp

I suspect they'll solve it here... though, some of that free money will be tied up in Bell and Brown, i could see a splash FA signing of a pass rusher.

A splash free agent signing? The Steelers? I would love to see it. I don't think it will ever happen.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

A splash free agent signing? The Steelers? I would love to see it. I don't think it will ever happen.

Well...for them...

I'm not talking Von Miller.

But, another James Farrior/Jeff Hartings type of signing. For that matter, Ryan Clark and (it appears) Mike Mitchell.

Guys that make a huge impact, but, aren't necessarily the bank breakers. I could see a young pass-rusher, and maybe even an ILB if Timmon's price is too high

[feltdizz]

Well...for them...

I'm not talking Von Miller.

But, another James Farrior/Jeff Hartings type of signing. For that matter, Ryan Clark and (it appears) Mike Mitchell.

Guys that make a huge impact, but, aren't necessarily the bank breakers. I could see a young pass-rusher, and maybe even an ILB if Timmon's price is too high

but will he still healthy of even see the field?

I think we lead the league in signing injury prone players.

[NorthCoast]

I was about to start a new thread on this topic. Right now my take is a post-LeBeau defense sucks compared to the worst defenses DL ever fielded. I will give Tomlin 3 yrs to make the transition (starting last year). If they are not in the top 10 defensively, one can conclude DL was a miracle worker compared to MT.

[Steelerphile]

I thought Keith Butler was the defensive coordinator? Wouldn't LeBeau's previous success reflect more directly on Butler as defensive coordinator? The head coach has some input into the total team but the coordinator is more specifically responsible for the defense. I guess that rankles me sometimes. If a unit is doing comparatively well, like the OL, the fans say Munchak is doing a great job, but if a unit is not performing well then it is Tomlin's fault and not the specific coach assigned to that unit.

LeBeau failed as a head coach, he is far better as a coordinator.

[feltdizz]

I thought Keith Butler was the defensive coordinator? Wouldn't LeBeau's previous success reflect more directly on Butler as defensive coordinator? The head coach has some input into the total team but the coordinator is more specifically responsible for the defense. I guess that rankles me sometimes. If a unit is doing comparatively well, like the OL, the fans say Munchak is doing a great job, but if a unit is not performing well then it is Tomlin's fault and not the specific coach assigned to that unit.

LeBeau failed as a head coach, he is far better as a coordinator.

Thats because some fans aren't fans of Tomlin.

[NorthCoast]

I thought Keith Butler was the defensive coordinator? Wouldn't LeBeau's previous success reflect more directly on Butler as defensive coordinator? The head coach has some input into the total team but the coordinator is more specifically responsible for the defense. I guess that rankles me sometimes. If a unit is doing comparatively well, like the OL, the fans say Munchak is doing a great job, but if a unit is not performing well then it is Tomlin's fault and not the specific coach assigned to that unit.

LeBeau failed as a head coach, he is far better as a coordinator.

I have no illusions. Even the broadcaster's stated at one point "Mike Tomlin's defense". With LeBeau gone, I bet Butler doesn't get near the sway DL got. If it is Butler's draft picks and scheme, then the same applies, it sucks so far.

[BowCatShot]

If a unit is doing comparatively well, like the OL, the fans say Munchak is doing a great job, but if a unit is not performing well then it is Tomlin's fault and not the specific coach assigned to that unit..

I don't think anyone would reason that if the unit is not performing well then the specific coach is doing a great job but the head coach is not. I think what people do see is that if the unit is not doing well then the specific coach either can not or will not fix things. Either of those cases can only be solved by the head coach. If that isn't happening then the head coach is definitely at fault.