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  • feltdizz
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    • May 2008
    • 27532

    #31
    Originally posted by Sword
    Don't want to wait tell Ben is done ...better be looking in the next 2 drafts....

    Neither do I, but I also don't want to pick up a random QB out of fear 3 to 5 years from now.

    I think Ben is playing for another 5 years or until AB and Bell move on. No way Ben walks away while we have all these weapons on offense.
    Steelers 27
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    • The Man of Steel
      Pro Bowler
      • Dec 2009
      • 2236

      #32
      If things work out just right I could see Landry Jones being the next Cliff Stoudt. Groom him as Ben's successor for 6 years then when Ben's injuries finally catch up to him you make him the starter. After that you just wait another 20 years or so until you can draft another HOF QB.
      Last edited by The Man of Steel; 05-03-2016, 10:27 PM.
      Obviously the standard is the standard.

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      • papillon
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        • Mar 2008
        • 11340

        #33
        Originally posted by Sword
        Very valid point!!! Can someone please tell me why we turn it in so dam quick??? Whats the point? Leave as much time for another team to make you a deal....
        They turned it quickly, IMO, because they are setting themselves up to win Super Bowls over the next 5 years while Ben is still great. You have to balance planning for the future and winning now. The Steelers need to win now with Ben. Drafting his replacement would have hindered their ability to fix the areas of the team that, in all likelihood, are most likely to be the reason they don't win Super Bowls.

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        • feltdizz
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 27532

          #34
          Originally posted by The Man of Steel
          If things work out just right I could see Landry Jones being the next Cliff Stoudt. Groom him as Ben's successor for 6 years then when Ben's injuries finally catch up to him you make him the starter. After that you just wait another 20 years or so until you can draft another HOF QB.
          haha.. I see Landry as a decent stop gap for 4 or 5 years until we find a replacement.
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          • RuthlessBurgher
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            • May 2008
            • 33208

            #35
            Originally posted by feltdizz
            haha.. I see Landry as a decent stop gap for 4 or 5 years until we find a replacement.
            Or...Ben retires, and Landry accelerates the process by leading us to a 2-14 season in his first year as a starter, and we use the subsequent 1st overall pick on our next franchise QB.
            Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

            Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

            We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

            We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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            • NJ-STEELER
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              • May 2008
              • 12563

              #36
              Originally posted by Sword
              Don't want to wait tell Ben is done ...better be looking in the next 2 drafts....
              I would look for a development type of guy. No earlier then the 3rd rd

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              • RuthlessBurgher
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 33208

                #37
                Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                I would look for a development type of guy. No earlier then the 3rd rd
                In other words, Landry Jones version 2.0
                Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                • Shawn
                  Legend
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 15131

                  #38
                  Considering how much the Steelers like to take on project players with upside...I'm surprised they didn't draft Cardele Jones.
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                  • The Man of Steel
                    Pro Bowler
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 2236

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Shawn
                    Considering how much the Steelers like to take on project players with upside...I'm surprised they didn't draft Cardele Jones.
                    They already had Cardale Jones on the roster once. It was back when he was still going by the name of "Byron Leftwich."
                    Obviously the standard is the standard.

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                    • pfelix73
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 3458

                      #40
                      Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                      The chances of finding a franchise QB of the future picking from the draft slot of a playoff team is pretty darn small. So far, the board has been able to come up with 2 franchise QB's picked in the late first round since 1983. Rodgers, because teams were scared off by the fact that Jeff Tedford QB's were flops as pros before then, and Marino, because of rumored cocaine use. That's the list since the Reagan administration.
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                      • Starlifter
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 5078

                        #41
                        I really really wish the steelers were the lone team with unlimited draft picks and no salary cap. Then you could cover your backside on every single position.

                        but unfortunately, reality is a bit different. It's always risk vs. reward and I see no reason now to waste a spot to plan for Ben's demise. That could seriously be a decade away. Couple of points to ponder. Yes, he got hurt last year - but overall his sacks are way down (as planned). The NFL goes out of it's way to protect QB's. if manning can go to 40ish - so can ben. and unlike manning - ben likely doesn't have a job in TV waiting for him. His past transgressions probably mean when his career is over, so is a large money stream. so i expect him to play until someone makes him stop.

                        so no, we don't waste picks on finding his replacement. we address the needs we have NOW. and that's what the steelers did thankfully.
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                        • SteelYinzer
                          Benchwarmer
                          • Dec 2015
                          • 83

                          #42
                          Originally posted by The Man of Steel
                          They already had Cardale Jones on the roster once. It was back when he was still going by the name of "Byron Leftwich."
                          Ha ha ha. I think Cardale is a much better athlete with more upside though. Cardale Jones and the guy the Pats drafted, Brissett, are the type of guys I see us drafting next season. Raw enough to escape round 1 but talented enough to see long term potential. I honestly think there's very little that separates the above two with Wentz. Goff has the "it" factor. He has that innate ability to sense pressure, step up or slide into the pocket and go through his reads. There aren't more than a handful of NFL guys that have that ability and they are elite. I definitely see him succeeding. I think PHI is screwed.

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                          • phillyesq
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                            • May 2008
                            • 7568

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Shawn
                            Considering how much the Steelers like to take on project players with upside...I'm surprised they didn't draft Cardele Jones.
                            Somebody reported that he was one of the targets when they were trying to trade back into the 5th.

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                            • feltdizz
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 27532

                              #44
                              Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                              In other words, Landry Jones version 2.0
                              basically, but as long as he has a different name it's all good
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                              • RuthlessBurgher
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 33208

                                #45
                                Originally posted by SteelYinzer
                                Ha ha ha. I think Cardale is a much better athlete with more upside though. Cardale Jones and the guy the Pats drafted, Brissett, are the type of guys I see us drafting next season. Raw enough to escape round 1 but talented enough to see long term potential. I honestly think there's very little that separates the above two with Wentz. Goff has the "it" factor. He has that innate ability to sense pressure, step up or slide into the pocket and go through his reads. There aren't more than a handful of NFL guys that have that ability and they are elite. I definitely see him succeeding. I think PHI is screwed.
                                I think Wentz is the better QB...a Joe Flacco like small school prospect whose upside could approach Roethlisberger in the right situation. But he was drafted into the wrong situation. Chip Kelly screwed the pooch to the point where Philly could not afford to give up all those prime picks because they need them to patch all the holes Kelly left them with. If Wentz got drafted by the Rams, who already have a strong defense and running game like Flacco and Ben had when they came into the NFL, he could really have flourished in a downfield, play action passing game. But the Rams opt for the West Coast offense guy instead. As I have noted previously here, I see Goff as have a Sam Bradford floor and a Matt Ryan ceiling...I can only assume that the Rams see his potential differently...perhaps a Andy Dalton floor and a Tom Brady ceiling, in order to give up all those picks.
                                Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                                Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                                We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                                We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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