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  • Captain Lemming
    Legend
    • Jun 2008
    • 16041

    Why I dont "freak out"

    "We reached for need at corner instead of BPA at NT"
    "We will never get a good tackle now".

    "Scouting report says.....blah, blah, blah"

    Bwaaahaa. Had a CHOICE between the tackles people wanted in round one FOR THREE ROUNDS and picked the one we wanted AFTER shoring up our pathetic secondary.
    Looks like we DINT reach after all. The nosetackles we coveted were NOT first round OR EVEN SECOND ROUND picks.

    Truth is WE DONT KNOW if another team would have scooped up Burns had we passed. How can I say that? Because most were surprised with THE ENTIRE TWO DAYS when it came to secondary and interior defensive linemen.

    What we do know is THE ENTIRE LEAGUE passed on Billings, not once but through THREE ROUNDS. He STILL is homeless as a hobo.

    We got the one we wanted our NT of the future in Hargrave in the third and could pick between him AND Billings, something NOBODY HERE EXPECTED before the draft started.

    Therefore, if we went with one of the NTs everyone THOUGHT we were going to take in the first THAT would have been a reach.
    Last edited by Captain Lemming; 04-30-2016, 01:22 AM.
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  • Captain Lemming
    Legend
    • Jun 2008
    • 16041

    #2
    "A great week of practice has led up to Saturday's East-West Shrine Game. This game produces NFL starters and, on occasion, superstars.
    More than 100 players are selected based on their potential to make an NFL roster with the consensus of all 32 NFL teams taken into consideration. They get their chance to leave an impression with NFL scouts every year, showing off their athleticism against top-level competition while proving to league personnel men that they can take coaching and absorb new information in a short period of time. "

    Commentary on the players:

    "South Carolina State defensive tackle [URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/javon-hargrave?id=2555239"]Javon Hargrave[/URL]has been the best player here. He has an excellent combination of quickness and power. He dominated the one-on-one drills."

    Hargraves one criticism is the low level competition he dominated. The comments about the allstar game should put those concerns to rest.
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    In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

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    • SteelerOfDeVille
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 9069

      #3
      Well, since we're talking what we personally think.... I wanted Reed as my 1st round NT (though I presumed he'd be gone by our pick)... I mentioned billings a number of times -- based in experts assessment that he'd be the last of the 1st round quality NT's to go off the board...

      having said that, I believe someone here made reference to an injury billings has that has caused his slide..
      2013 MNF Executive Champion!

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      • Iron City Inc.
        Hall of Famer
        • Jun 2013
        • 3237

        #4
        My bud Alex over at the Depot wrote an article about month or so back and it indicated Hargrave would have to be taken at 59 and that he would not slide to our 3rd. This is because he was at times so dominant against lower level of comp and how well he performed in the post season..He has a great low center of gravity and wins the leverage game more often then not. However his quicks on the get off allow him to out leverage some O linemen. This along with great hand use gives him some decent pass rush ability. That will be the key as he'll be best for us if on occasion if he can play the 3 n 5.
        Not the longest dude but at 310 he should be fine at the 0 n 1 and when needed slide to the 3 n 5.
        So for those who believe we got a 2nd round corner at 1 perhaps you'll feel better knowing we got a 2nd round DL in the 3rd.

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        • RobinCole
          Pro Bowler
          • Apr 2014
          • 1358

          #5
          Donny Shell played at South Carolina State and one of his teammates then was Harry Carson, who went on to be a HOF linebacker for the NY Giants.

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          • SidSmythe
            Hall of Famer
            • Sep 2008
            • 4708

            #6
            Very excited about Hargraves!!
            Very excited about the potential of all 3 picks. We might not see the Fruits of these picks in 2016 but I'm hoping Hargraves gets in the rotation and Smith is the next Lee Flowers of the Special Teams (but hope he plays safety better).
            Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
            Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
            Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...!!!

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            • Captain Lemming
              Legend
              • Jun 2008
              • 16041

              #7
              Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
              Well, since we're talking what we personally think.... I wanted Reed as my 1st round NT (though I presumed he'd be gone by our pick)... I mentioned billings a number of times -- based in experts assessment that he'd be the last of the 1st round quality NT's to go off the board...

              having said that, I believe someone here made reference to an injury billings has that has caused his slide..
              But Reed is slow and plodding. Zero pass rush. Came out is pass rush situations IN COLLEGE.
              Our guy Hargrave is THE FASTEST NT WE HAVE EVER HAD and is an interior pass rush beast.

              We wanted a pass rushing NT that could stay in on some passing downs to spell our DEs who often become tackles in passing downs. Check this out:

              [url]http://www.steelers.com/videos/videos/John_Mitchell_on_DT_Javon_Hargrave/2c88cbd3-cae4-409b-a64a-f87b14cc73ef[/url]

              [URL]http://www.steelers.com/videos/videos/Steelers_take_DT_Javon_Hargrave_89th_overall/c88b121b-f32d-47d4-8846-ff4daecbb2a8[/URL]
              Last edited by Captain Lemming; 04-30-2016, 10:54 AM.
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              In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

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              • flippy
                Legend
                • Dec 2008
                • 17088

                #8
                Given that the odds are against every pick becoming an All Pro, it's more logical to be pessimistic. You'll be right most of the time. If that's what's important to you, of course.
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                • SteelerOfDeVille
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 9069

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                  But Reed is slow and plodding. Zero pass rush. Came out is pass rush situations IN COLLEGE.
                  Our guy Hargrave is THE FASTEST NT WE HAVE EVER HAD and is an interior pass rush beast.

                  We wanted a pass rushing NT that could stay in on some passing downs to spell our DEs who often become tackles in passing downs. Check this out:

                  [URL]http://www.steelers.com/videos/videos/John_Mitchell_on_DT_Javon_Hargrave/2c88cbd3-cae4-409b-a64a-f87b14cc73ef[/URL]

                  [URL]http://www.steelers.com/videos/videos/Steelers_take_DT_Javon_Hargrave_89th_overall/c88b121b-f32d-47d4-8846-ff4daecbb2a8[/URL]
                  I understand the difference... I prefer a NT that requires a double-team and frees the LBs... I wanted another Hampton, and IMO, Rees was the closest thing in this draft to that...
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                  • RuthlessBurgher
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 33208

                    #10
                    Pick grades so far according to CBS Sports:

                    2016 NFL DRAFT EXPERT ANALYSIS:
                    PETE PRISCO RNDS 1-3
                    SPENCER HALL RNDS 4-7

                    TEAM: PITTSBURGH

                    1
                    25
                    Artie Burns | CB, Miami (Fla.)
                    Height: 6-0 Weight: 193
                    He's got a ton of athletic ability and he fills a big-time need. Solid pick.
                    B


                    2
                    58
                    Sean Davis | CB, Maryland
                    Height: 6-1 Weight: 201
                    Love this pick. Love this kid. The Steelers get a safety with range who can cover and tackle. Secondary is fixed.
                    A+


                    3
                    89
                    Javon Hargrave | DT, South Carolina State
                    Height: 6-1 Weight: 309
                    They needed depth for their front and this is an impressive kid. Scouts raved about him. Raw, but talented.
                    B


                    4
                    123
                    Jerald Hawkins | OT, LSU
                    Height: 6-6 Weight: 305
                    Three-year starter with experience at both LT and RT.
                    B

                    [url]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker[/url]
                    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                    • SteelCrazy
                      Legend
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 5049

                      #11
                      I really like Hargraves. I think he is already our best NT.
                      2019 Mock

                      1. ILB
                      2. CB
                      3. ILB
                      4. S
                      5. CB
                      6. ILB
                      7. S

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                      • dreegking
                        Backup
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 165

                        #12
                        That will be McCullers role. Don't give up on that guy. He was so raw and so big, he needs three years minimum to show value. He will be the clog when it is needed. Hargraves will be other. And in short yardage or run down on goal line, don't be surprised when they are side by side.

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                        • RuthlessBurgher
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 33208

                          #13
                          Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                          Pick grades so far according to CBS Sports:

                          2016 NFL DRAFT EXPERT ANALYSIS:
                          PETE PRISCO RNDS 1-3
                          SPENCER HALL RNDS 4-7

                          TEAM: PITTSBURGH

                          1
                          25
                          Artie Burns | CB, Miami (Fla.)
                          Height: 6-0 Weight: 193
                          He's got a ton of athletic ability and he fills a big-time need. Solid pick.
                          B


                          2
                          58
                          Sean Davis | CB, Maryland
                          Height: 6-1 Weight: 201
                          Love this pick. Love this kid. The Steelers get a safety with range who can cover and tackle. Secondary is fixed.
                          A+


                          3
                          89
                          Javon Hargrave | DT, South Carolina State
                          Height: 6-1 Weight: 309
                          They needed depth for their front and this is an impressive kid. Scouts raved about him. Raw, but talented.
                          B


                          4 A
                          123
                          Jerald Hawkins | OT, LSU
                          Height: 6-6 Weight: 305
                          Three-year starter with experience at both LT and RT.
                          B

                          [URL]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker[/URL]
                          Grades for the rest out our pick from the same source:

                          6 220
                          Travis Feeney | OLB, Washington
                          Height: 6-4 Weight: 230
                          A converted safety, Feeney is a tremendous athlete for the LB position, showing some pass rush ability, though has some concerns regarding his play, strength and frame.
                          C+

                          7 229
                          Demarcus Ayers | WR, Houston
                          Height: 5-09 Weight: 182
                          A playmaking WR for the Cougars. Extremely versatile scoring a TD in every way possible, catching, running, passing and returning.
                          A

                          7
                          246
                          Tyler Matakevich | ILB, Temple
                          Height: 6-0 Weight: 238
                          Not the best athlete, but is a tackling machine with 493 tackles in his college career. Team first attitude, high motor overachiever who coaches will love. Possible starting potential.
                          A
                          Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                          Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                          We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                          We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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