Payton Manning

[phillyesq]

but nothing he said was a lie.

They did have protection problems and his kicker was an idiot

It was true but why throw your offensive line under the bus? Ben used to get beat up routinely and never through the line under the bus. Instead, he praised them when we all knew they stunk.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

but nothing he said was a lie.

They did have protection problems and his kicker was an idiot

Not the point though!

Sorry, I see phillyesq replied already in his usual succinct and logical way.

[Slapstick]

It was true but why throw your offensive line under the bus? Ben used to get beat up routinely and never through the line under the bus. Instead, he praised them when we all knew they stunk.

The rare instance where we praise someone for lying their @$$ off while crucifying the guy who tells the truth...

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

The rare instance where we praise someone for lying their @$$ off while crucifying the guy who tells the truth...

True, true!

A good leader knows just how much to encourage vs. discipline/criticize ... all in the name of the big picture.

Ben has *always* looked out for his OL ... culminating in his famous words as he held up Lombardi #5 (or was it #6) ... "Who's laughing now, OL?!!!!".

Remarkable maturity for a guy that was still growing up at the time ...

[SteelerOfDeVille]

that's the problem. there's nothing there to hate. great talent, pedigree, teammate, historian, spokesman, champion - the list goes on and on. As I've said eisewhere, he's everything that's right about the NFL. I know there are a few stories out there - but nothing that's ever even created the whiff of scandal. He will finish his career playing in 4 superbowls, perhaps winning 2. He's a first ballot no questions asked HOF'er. When he is done with the NFL he will likely become even more popular. Shoot, even his SNL skits are dang funny.

this is a great superbowl for me. there's no one there I hate. Let the broncos win their third. It still won't erase the fact they've lost 5. Let peyton win his final game and leave as a champion. Or let a new era begin with cam and riverboat ron and the first lombardi for the carolinas.

it's all good.

I had one thing i disliked and it's stuck with me for a decade. IIRC, we beat them (I think it was the Bettis fumble game), his press conference was not good - totally threw his line under the bus. something like, "I'm trying to be a good teammate here, but, it's hard to throw the ball when you don't have protection." (note: reading further into the thread, others have called this out)

having said that, i respect the talent and wouldn't be upset to see him ride out on top with a W in the super bowl

the flip of that, Carolina had an amazing/touching story on Inside the NFL about a kid who's wish was to be coach for a day. Nothing against Peyton, but, I think I'd rather see the kid get a super bowl ring.