Missed FG, turnovers, dropped passes, red zone failures

[WindyCitySteel]

You can't win when you do these things. Or so I am told.


You *can* win when you do these things when your defense bows its back after a turnover and then gets some of their own. And when your offense remains aggressive and attacks the opponents' weakness instead of turtling up.


That's why you can't cherry pick a few plays in isolation and say "that's why we lost". Good teams can overcome their own mistakes, and the Steelers did just that last night.

[feltdizz]

no one said you can't win.... but the odds are much harder when you turn the ball over more than your opponent

[RuthlessBurgher]

You can't win when you do these things. Or so I am told.


You *can* win when you do these things when your defense bows its back after a turnover and then gets some of their own. And when your offense remains aggressive and attacks the opponents' weakness instead of turtling up.


That's why you can't cherry pick a few plays in isolation and say "that's why we lost". Good teams can overcome their own mistakes, and the Steelers did just that last night.

Sorry you didn't get what you want last night (hoping they lose out).

[Captain Lemming]

no one said you can't win.... but the odds are much harder when you turn the ball over more than your opponent

But if the team scores 30, IMO offense has done what it needs to do to not get blamed for a loss ESPECIALLY if the defense is SO BAD, the opposing QB IS BREAKING TEAM RECORDS. To lay last weeks loss on the offense as the biggest factor is RIDICULOUS.

[Slapstick]

But if the team scores 30, IMO offense has done what it needs to do to not get blamed for a loss ESPECIALLY if the defense is SO BAD, the opposing QB IS BREAKING TEAM RECORDS. To lay last weeks loss on the offense as the biggest factor is RIDICULOUS.

Not so ridiculous...

I'm sorry, but when the opposing team has TD drives of

24 yards

37 yards

39 yards

as a result of turnovers and not because of a great ST return? Then you can definitely give the offense their share of the blame...

However, I blame the defense for the scoring drives of

85 yards

73 yards

80 yards

Last night, it was great that the defense was able to hold the Colts to 3 points off of the two turnovers...but, they should not have been in that position in the first place...

[Captain Lemming]

no one said you can't win.... but the odds are much harder when you turn the ball over more than your opponent

Also let me make this point. When we talk "losing the turnover battle" that involves BOTH the offense AND the defense. Defensive takeaways factor in too.

That SB victory you credit Arians with?
Nevermind turnover ratio, we scored DEFENSIVE TOUCHDOWNS which were the difference in winning and losing in not one but TWO post season games.

Arians Steeler team gave up 3 in the SB. If not for the more devastating turnovers created by our D, we get crushed in that game.

When discussing the defense being at fault you need to look @ the turnovers they gave up period.

[Captain Lemming]

Not so ridiculous...

I'm sorry, but when the opposing team has TD drives of

24 yards

37 yards

39 yards

as a result of turnovers and not because of a great ST return? Then you can definitely give the offense their share of the blame...

However, I blame the defense for the scoring drives of

85 yards

73 yards

80 yards

Last night, it was great that the defense was able to hold the Colts to 3 points off of the two turnovers...but, they should not have been in that position in the first place...

Read my words carefully. I am very deliberate in my phrasing. I said "as the biggest factor".

I am NOT arguing the turnovers were not a factor in the loss. But the defense was far and away worse. We are talking about what will likely be our worst defensive performance of the season Slappy.

Even the stats you cite as offensive contributions to Seattles scoring, while legit involve the defense too. How bout a red zone stop or two? Sure the turnover makes it and "easier" short field, but we aren't talking pick 6s here either. Must a short field be a guaranteed touchdown?

Again I think you just missed my statement that my issue is with making the offense the "biggest" factor in the loss. Offensive turnovers contributed too.

[WindyCitySteel]

Sorry you didn't get what you want last night (hoping they lose out).

When did I say I hope they lose out? I said if they can't beat this Colts team, they would be better off losing out. Had they lost last night, the playoffs were about a 1% possibility.

[WindyCitySteel]

Not so ridiculous...

I'm sorry, but when the opposing team has TD drives of

24 yards

37 yards

39 yards

as a result of turnovers and not because of a great ST return? Then you can definitely give the offense their share of the blame...

However, I blame the defense for the scoring drives of

85 yards

73 yards

80 yards

Last night, it was great that the defense was able to hold the Colts to 3 points off of the two turnovers...but, they should not have been in that position in the first place...

Expecting the offense to never turn the ball over is ridiculous. Mistakes are going to happen.

You can also blame the defense for putting the offense on long fields all game, every game. They almost never flip field position.

[feltdizz]

Also let me make this point. When we talk "losing the turnover battle" that involves BOTH the offense AND the defense. Defensive takeaways factor in too.

That SB victory you credit Arians with?
Nevermind turnover ratio, we scored DEFENSIVE TOUCHDOWNS which were the difference in winning and losing in not one but TWO post season games.

Arians Steeler team gave up 3 in the SB. If not for the more devastating turnovers created by our D, we get crushed in that game.

When discussing the defense being at fault you need to look @ the turnovers they gave up period.

Arians has a ring and another SB appearance...

He won coach of the year...

and he is in a fight for the #1 seed this year and has been to the playoffs almost every year since he left the Steelers.

Sorry, you have to live with this until we do it another way.

[Slapstick]

Expecting the offense to never turn the ball over is ridiculous. Mistakes are going to happen.

You can also blame the defense for putting the offense on long fields all game, every game. They almost never flip field position.

I don't expect the offense to never turn the ball over. But, turning the ball over 3 or 4 times in one game isn't something that any defense should have to overcome.

[DBR96A]

Expecting the offense to never turn the ball over is ridiculous. Mistakes are going to happen.

Especially on the road against a quality opponent in a hostile environment, no less. And some turnovers are simply bad luck, such as the ball slipping prematurely out of the QB's hand, or a WR stumbling and falling as the ball is in the air.

You can also blame the defense for putting the offense on long fields all game, every game. They almost never flip field position.

I've noticed this too. If the defense doesn't force a turnover or allow a score, then they typically allow the opposing offense to get to midfield or just beyond, so then if the defense forces a punt, the ball will be downed inside the 20-yard line, so the offense often has to start drives in the shadow of its own goalposts. Among teams with winning records, only the Broncos have worse average starting field position than the Steelers. Among the top 10 scoring teams, only the Bills and Saints have worse average starting field position than the Steelers.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Had they lost last night, the playoffs were about a 1% possibility.

I still don't have a warm-fuzzy knowing the next 2 are Bengals and Broncos. They pretty much need to go 3-1 (or better) to finish and hope 10-6 gets them there. The other two 7-5 teams have easier schedules, for sure.

[Slapstick]

I still don't have a warm-fuzzy knowing the next 2 are Bengals and Broncos. They pretty much need to go 3-1 (or better) to finish and hope 10-6 gets them there. The other two 7-5 teams have easier schedules, for sure.

Jets: vs. Titans, @ Patriots, vs. Cowboys, @ Bills

Chiefs: vs. Chargers, @ Ravens, vs. Browns, vs. Raiders

[RuthlessBurgher]

When did I say I hope they lose out? I said if they can't beat this Colts team, they would be better off losing out. Had they lost last night, the playoffs were about a 1% possibility.

Not to mention taking the ball out of Ben and ABs' hands and putting them in Landry and AVs' hands on the fake FG. Completely braindead call that resulted in a 10-pt swing that changed momentum and cost us a win.

He's a terrible football coach. Hoping we lose out, he gets fired, and Munchak - the best coach on the roster - takes over.

- Posted by WindyCitySteel on 11-29-15 at 9:05 pm.

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