JJ

[phillyesq]

Ovi, here is what Tomlin had to say:

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Tomlin: Jarvis Jones has been "solid." Likes how violent he's played

[Oviedo]

Ovi, here is what Tomlin had to say:

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Tomlin: Jarvis Jones has been "solid." Likes how violent he's played

I guess that is why he player 26 out of 80+ snaps. Had to conserve his "violence" that resulted in zero sacks and one tackle

[Slapstick]

Yeah, God forbid he earn any praise from the coach....

[Ghost]

The only violence I saw Jones involved in during the Baltimore game was him getting slammed on his back by offensive linemen. He did not play well this last game.

[papillon]

Yeah, God forbid he earn any praise from the coach....

Well, you have to admit that getting praised for being violent and then only playing 26 snaps is conundrum of sorts don't you think? If someone has been playing violent on this football team I'd keep them on the field, a good dose of violence is needed.

Pappy

[Slapstick]

Well, you have to admit that getting praised for being violent and then only playing 26 snaps is conundrum of sorts don't you think? If someone has been playing violent on this football team I'd keep them on the field, a good dose of violence is needed.

Pappy

Well, it isn't as though keeping him off the field won the game for us...

Heck, maybe the run D would have been better in the 2nd half?

Who knows...I choose to take Tomlin at his word...

[RuthlessBurgher]

It seems to me that they tend to play Moats and Jones together on early run downs and then Dupree and Harrison together on passing downs. Since we struggled against the run in this game, perhaps there was too much emphasis on pressuring Flacco and not enough emphasis on shutting down Forsett.

Jarvis was in on 39% of the defensive snaps in week 1, then 44% in week 2, and 50% in week 3...his percentage of defensive snaps played was increasing each game while Harrison's percentage of defense snaps decreasing each week until they met right in the middle in week 3...Harrison was in on 62% of the defensive snaps in week 1, then 56% in week 2, and 50% in week 3, the same as Jarvis. This trend reversed itself vs. the Ravens, as Harrison played in 61% of the defensive snaps in week 4 with Jarvis playing in 33% of those snaps. It could also be noted that Jarvis has played twice as many special teams snaps as Harrison through 4 games (28 vs. 14).

People complain about a lack of sacks from Jarvis, but it should be noted that the games where he played the most, the defense shut down young stud RB's Carlos Hyde and Todd Gurley, and the games where he played the least, the defense was shredded by journeymen RB's Dion Lewis and Justin Forsett. Just sayin'.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

It seems to me that they tend to play Moats and Jones together on early run downs and then Dupree and Harrison together on passing downs. Since we struggled against the run in this game, perhaps there was too much emphasis on pressuring Flacco and not enough emphasis on shutting down Forsett.

Jarvis was in on 39% of the defensive snaps in week 1, then 44% in week 2, and 50% in week 3...his percentage of defensive snaps played was increasing each game while Harrison's percentage of defense snaps decreasing each week until they met right in the middle in week 3...Harrison was in on 62% of the defensive snaps in week 1, then 56% in week 2, and 50% in week 3, the same as Jarvis. This trend reversed itself vs. the Ravens, as Harrison played in 61% of the defensive snaps in week 4 with Jarvis playing in 33% of those snaps. It could also be noted that Jarvis has played twice as many special teams snaps as Harrison through 4 games (28 vs. 14).

People complain about a lack of sacks from Jarvis, but it should be noted that the games where he played the most, the defense shut down young stud RB's Carlos Hyde and Todd Gurley, and the games where he played the least, the defense was shredded by journeymen RB's Dion Lewis and Justin Forsett. Just sayin'.

Bah. Facts. Who needs facts. It's better to look at a guy and form an opinion.

Seriously, as has been stated, we all know JJ was drafted because of ridiculous sack numbers in college - iirc, he led the NCAA in sacks... That's can't be a fluke, can it? I realize you could luck into a handful (busted protection, etc), but, 13.5 sacks one year and 14.5 the next is too many to be an accident. Especially facing SEC defenses week in and week out. The kid has some talent that hasn't quite yet been turned up, if you ask me.

What is surprising to me is to this point in his career, he's complete opposite of what I expected, considering his slightly built lower body upon entering the league. While I realize he has a pedestrian 40 time, he must have an exceptional "get off" at the snap, causing him to beat the OT and get leverage. Meanwhile, He'll struggle to defend against the run. That was all wrong...

[SidSmythe]

Bah. Facts. Who needs facts. It's better to look at a guy and form an opinion.

Seriously, as has been stated, we all know JJ was drafted because of ridiculous sack numbers in college - iirc, he led the NCAA in sacks... That's can't be a fluke, can it? I realize you could luck into a handful (busted protection, etc), but, 13.5 sacks one year and 14.5 the next is too many to be an accident. Especially facing SEC defenses week in and week out. The kid has some talent that hasn't quite yet been turned up, if you ask me.

What is surprising to me is to this point in his career, he's complete opposite of what I expected, considering his slightly built lower body upon entering the league. While I realize he has a pedestrian 40 time, he must have an exceptional "get off" at the snap, causing him to beat the OT and get leverage. Meanwhile, He'll struggle to defend against the run. That was all wrong...

Michael Sam led the SEC the following yr. So........
QBAIT sees a parallel

[Oviedo]

Michael Sam led the SEC the following yr. So........
QBAIT sees a parallel

You beat me to the punch. I was going to mention Sam too. If anyone watched a lot of Jones in college you would see that he didn't beat good college tackles. His strength was that he had a high motor and got to the QB when the QB held onto the ball too long. He rarely ever exploded past the blocker but was just tenacious...good for him but I don't think that translates to the NFL the same way as in college. In the NFL you have to beat the man in front of you and despite his apparent "violence" he isn't doing that so far this year.

[feltdizz]

Bah. Facts. Who needs facts. It's better to look at a guy and form an opinion.

Seriously, as has been stated, we all know JJ was drafted because of ridiculous sack numbers in college - iirc, he led the NCAA in sacks... That's can't be a fluke, can it? I realize you could luck into a handful (busted protection, etc), but, 13.5 sacks one year and 14.5 the next is too many to be an accident. Especially facing SEC defenses week in and week out. The kid has some talent that hasn't quite yet been turned up, if you ask me.

What is surprising to me is to this point in his career, he's complete opposite of what I expected, considering his slightly built lower body upon entering the league. While I realize he has a pedestrian 40 time, he must have an exceptional "get off" at the snap, causing him to beat the OT and get leverage. Meanwhile, He'll struggle to defend against the run. That was all wrong...

but who were these sacks against? one thing about the SEC is their ability to make players look great on paper but once they hit the NFL it's a crap shoot.

I know it's a crap,shoot for the majority of college players but the SEC is touted as the best yet we see a lot of these SEC guys miss the mark.

I will say one thing about JJ, he is a monster against the run.

[feltdizz]

It seems to me that they tend to play Moats and Jones together on early run downs and then Dupree and Harrison together on passing downs. Since we struggled against the run in this game, perhaps there was too much emphasis on pressuring Flacco and not enough emphasis on shutting down Forsett.

Jarvis was in on 39% of the defensive snaps in week 1, then 44% in week 2, and 50% in week 3...his percentage of defensive snaps played was increasing each game while Harrison's percentage of defense snaps decreasing each week until they met right in the middle in week 3...Harrison was in on 62% of the defensive snaps in week 1, then 56% in week 2, and 50% in week 3, the same as Jarvis. This trend reversed itself vs. the Ravens, as Harrison played in 61% of the defensive snaps in week 4 with Jarvis playing in 33% of those snaps. It could also be noted that Jarvis has played twice as many special teams snaps as Harrison through 4 games (28 vs. 14).

People complain about a lack of sacks from Jarvis, but it should be noted that the games where he played the most, the defense shut down young stud RB's Carlos Hyde and Todd Gurley, and the games where he played the least, the defense was shredded by journeymen RB's Dion Lewis and Justin Forsett. Just sayin'.

wow. good catch. Dupree is definitely quicker off the ball but I bet he is also leaving gaping holes for RB's.

I had no idea JJ would be this solid in rush defense.

[WindyCitySteel]

You beat me to the punch. I was going to mention Sam too. If anyone watched a lot of Jones in college you would see that he didn't beat good college tackles. His strength was that he had a high motor and got to the QB when the QB held onto the ball too long. He rarely ever exploded past the blocker but was just tenacious...good for him but I don't think that translates to the NFL the same way as in college. In the NFL you have to beat the man in front of you and despite his apparent "violence" he isn't doing that so far this year.

I've seen him beat his guy a few times, but the rest of the time he's a non-factor. Unlike Deebo, who is held just about every play because he can't be stopped. At lesat the Deebo of a few years ago.

Woodley was a beast, too - you know it right away.

JJ falls into the Worilds class, and he hasn't even flashed the way JW did for a few games in 2013.

[phillyesq]

I guess that is why he player 26 out of 80+ snaps. Had to conserve his "violence" that resulted in zero sacks and one tackle

Tomlin also said that Jones didn't get as many rush opportunities based on what they were doing with the defense, and that they've been focusing more on rushing the left outside linebacker. Wasn't that always the excuse for Jason Worilds?

Jones is a favorite whipping boy, but the fact is the OLB rotation has been effective, and he is a part of that. The rush has been effective also, and Jones isn't just getting stoned. It's not like QBs are escaping to his side at random.

For the guy who admonishes all of us that Fantasy Football doesn't qualify us to be a GM, lets look beyond just stats.

[Slapstick]

The other thing is that both Harrison in his prime and Woodley when he was playing well benefitted from Aaron Smith and Brett Keisel concentrating upon occupying blockers and keeping the LBs clean...now, Heyward and Tuitt are one gapping and getting upfield...which is good, because they may be the two best players on our defense right now. However, there will probably be less sacks from our OLBs as a result.