So help me understand...

[Oviedo]

Colbert and Tomlin were morons because they cut Chickillo and Grant demonstrating their lack of knowledge on all football personnel matters.

They got players with more experience and/or potential at positions of needs.

Then they still got Chickillo and Grant back because the rest of the league wasn't beating down the doors to sign them or just perhaps the Steelers had worked out deal with the players and their agents that they would be coming back.

Sure sounds like Colbert and Tomlin have no idea what they are doing getting twice the number of players into the program by working the system.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

Why do you think or believe they had deals worked out with their agents? That sounds pretty silly

My problem is why were they so off in their evaluation of grant that they chose him in the 4th round? And then 130 days later he is so bad not another team in the league signs him to their 53? You can't have it both ways.

Chickillo was always going to the PS

[phillyesq]

My problem is why were they so off in their evaluation of grant that they chose him in the 4th round? And then 130 days later he is so bad not another team in the league signs him to their 53? You can't have it both ways.

Chickillo was always going to the PS

Exactly. In a league starved for corners, a 4th round corner from a major college program doesn't garner any interest? Sounds like another evaluation swing and miss.

I also agree that it's utterly absurd to believe that there was some sort of deal in place. First, if these guys were claimed on waivers (never a threat with Chickillo), then any deal means nothing. Moreover, a guy on the PS makes $105,600, as compared to the rookie minimum of $435k. Now, any player will take $105k over being unemployed, but nobody is going to take $105k over $435k.

Finally, it's funny that the problem with the defense used to be that it was too complex for rookies to learn. Now, it's supposedly simplified, yet Grant and Chickillo still can't make the team. I'm sure that it will be blamed on Lebeau, but perhaps we can now start to acknowledge that there has been a talent evaluation/acquisition problem on the defensive side of the ball.

[ikestops85]

Colbert and Tomlin were morons because they cut Chickillo and Grant demonstrating their lack of knowledge on all football personnel matters. They got players with more experience and/or potential at positions of needs. Then they still got Chickillo and Grant back because the rest of the league wasn't beating down the doors to sign them or just perhaps the Steelers had worked out deal with the players and their agents that they would be coming back. Sure sounds like Colbert and Tomlin have no idea what they are doing getting twice the number of players into the program by working the system.

I agree Ovi. They signed 2 guys who they thought could help us now and then signed the other 2 who hopefully can help us in the future. It sounds like they know what they are doing to me.

[raycafan]

I heard on NFL network the Steelers signed another center, did not catch name. Anybody else hear this?

[raycafan]

It was not legs either

[Oviedo]

I agree Ovi. They signed 2 guys who they thought could help us now and then signed the other 2 who hopefully can help us in the future. It sounds like they know what they are doing to me.

I think that is called a win-win by most. However, some will never see it that way.

[Oviedo]

Why do you think or believe they had deals worked out with their agents? That sounds pretty silly

Does it really. Because a front office of a NFL team would never plan ahead and make let players and their agents know that they want them to stay with the organization.

I guess you believe they just make it up as they go. I guess that's a theory although one that doesn't seem to make sense in this case.

Besides, how could the rest of the NFL not be falling all over themseleves to get Chickillo and Grant when just 24 hours again the sky was falling because the Steelers let them go.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

Does it really. Because a front office of a NFL team would never plan ahead and make let players and their agents know that they want them to stay with the organization.

I guess you believe they just make it up as they go. I guess that's a theory although one that doesn't seem to make sense in this case.

Besides, how could the rest of the NFL not be falling all over themseleves to get Chickillo and Grant when just 24 hours again the sky was falling because the Steelers let them go.

Yep, still sounds silly. Philly pointed out the financial reasons

Its OK to admit the steelers missed on their evaluation of Grant

[Oviedo]

Yep, still sounds silly. Philly pointed out the financial reasons

Its OK to admit the steelers missed on their evaluation of Grant

Maybe the did and maybe they didn't. He is on the team and can prove it one way or the other. What is clear is they wanted a more experienced option in the secondary and they made the moves to make that happen. Sounds pretty smart to me.

[NJ-STEELER]

Exactly. In a league starved for corners, a 4th round corner from a major college program doesn't garner any interest? Sounds like another evaluation swing and miss.

I also agree that it's utterly absurd to believe that there was some sort of deal in place. First, if these guys were claimed on waivers (never a threat with Chickillo), then any deal means nothing. Moreover, a guy on the PS makes $105,600, as compared to the rookie minimum of $435k. Now, any player will take $105k over being unemployed, but nobody is going to take $105k over $435k.

Finally, it's funny that the problem with the defense used to be that it was too complex for rookies to learn. Now, it's supposedly simplified, yet Grant and Chickillo still can't make the team. I'm sure that it will be blamed on Lebeau, but perhaps we can now start to acknowledge that there has been a talent evaluation/acquisition problem on the defensive side of the ball.

while I dont think any side deal was done, it was reported that hojo signed with the bucs PS for rookie league minimum salary of 400k

I read they recently changed the rules on that. so teams can offer more to lure players onto their PS

[NJ-STEELER]

It was not legs either

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e alabama center from a few years ago


barrett??

[NJ-STEELER]

my bigger concern with the original waive of grant is this.who

whats wrong with our scouting. especially on the defensive side of the ball where some recent picks havent exactly hit a home a run

these are the guys watching the games during the college season (colbert as well) and bringing that information to the draft process before tomlin/colbert even get to the combine

while i don't expect all 4th rounders to be impact players, I do expect to get some good depth/possible future starter once in a while.the
re's been way too many 4th/5th rd CBs over the years that have never made a dent

[phillyesq]

Maybe the did and maybe they didn't. He is on the team and can prove it one way or the other. What is clear is they wanted a more experienced option in the secondary and they made the moves to make that happen. Sounds pretty smart to me.

If this was last year, you'd be hurling insults at Lebeau left and right, complaining that the system is too complicated. So since you started the thread, please help me understand how draft picks not making the roster is now a sign of enlightenment?

For what it's worth - I think Chickillo to the PS was the right move. Grant, on the other hand, looks like a poor evaluation.

[winwithd]

How much input does Lake have in the drafting of the defensive secondary players? Seems to me like the secondary has deteriorated on his watch. Wasn't Shaq Richardson his guy last year? I haven't heard his name mentioned yet. Does he have some responsibility in this? Maybe he is a poor evaluator of talent. Just asking. It is his department after all. And maybe Golsen will be the next Darrelle Revis. And maybe the jury is still out on some of these things.