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  • Cinnjerm3000
    Backup
    • Sep 2014
    • 270

    2015 Steelers on the decline?

    This is a snippet from the ESPN Insider article "5 Teams on the Decline in 2015". Can't say I agree with any of the logic employed and, from my perspective, am anticipating quite the opposite. Continuity on offense means no growing pains with regard to finding an identity and fresh thinking with the defensive coordinator means unpredictability (although that could admittedly backfire as well).

    "Pittsburgh Steelers (11-5 in 2014)

    Mean Wins: 8.1 | Playoff Odds: 39.5% (15th) | Wins Super Bowl: 3.1% (13th)

    There are two main forces in our new projection system. First, teams will tend to be pulled toward average. Second, teams will tend to be pulled from what they did last year toward an average of what they did in 2012 and 2013. The other variables tend to work on top of these two forces, rewarding teams that have continuity or add significant personnel and penalizing teams that have new head coach/coordinator combos or lose significant personnel.

    Pittsburgh's projection is primarily about those two main forces. Last year, the Steelers offense was No. 2 in the NFL, behind only Green Bay, but the defense was 30th, behind only Atlanta and New Orleans. But both the Pittsburgh offense and defense had been much closer to average the previous two seasons. As a result, we're projecting the Pittsburgh offense to be very good, but probably not as good as it was last year, and the defense projects to be bad, but not nearly as bad as last year. The offense projects to decline more than the defense projects to improve because of personnel losses on defense. The other issue is a tougher slate of opponents; Pittsburgh's schedule ranked 29th last year, but this year, starting with a Week 1 game at Foxborough, it either ranks ninth (75 percent of our simulations had Tom Brady suspended four games) or fourth (25 percent of our simulations had Brady's suspension overturned or delayed by federal court)." -Aaron Schatz (ESPN)
  • NorthCoast
    Legend
    • Sep 2008
    • 26639

    #2
    Originally posted by Cinnjerm3000
    T.................Second, teams will tend to be pulled from what they did last year toward an average of what they did in 2012 and 2013. T.....(ESPN)
    Huh???? ... this logic doesn't even make sense. Garbage article....

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    • Djfan
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 5184

      #3
      Last year was amazing on offense. It would not surprise me if the offense is slightly less than last year, but only because last year was so amazing. That's a hard standard to maintain.

      The defense can't be much worse, and there are reasons to think that it will be improved. This article basically says "we can't imagine the Steelers were really good last year, so they will tank this year."
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      • Discipline of Steel
        Hall of Famer
        • Aug 2008
        • 3882

        #4
        Originally posted by NorthCoast
        Huh???? ... this logic doesn't even make sense. Garbage article....

        How about this winner?

        "The offense projects to decline more than the defense projects to improve because of personnel losses on defense. "
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        • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 10287

          #5
          I think that the easiest argument to make predicting a bad year is to say that they had a soft schedule last year (NFC South, AFC South, Jets and Chiefs), and this year they have a tougher schedule (AFC West, NFC West plus NE and the Colts).

          Division rivals have same division matchups, but not Indy, Pats.

          This D will face Luck, Brady*, Wilson, Kaep, Foles, Palmer, Peyton, Alex Smith, Rivers, Carr, Flacco, Dalton, and whichever poor soul gets the call in Cleveland. Tougher than last year and if the D does not improve they will look even worse than last year.

          Fortunately I do believe that the D will improve and the O will remain dangerous. Remember, the O did not look like the O we saw until the game 7 comeback at home against the Texans on a Monday Night game. Coincidentally (or not) that was the first game of one Martavis Bryant. They averaged under 21 PPG in the first 6. They averaged over 31 the last 10. Wait until we see the full throttle O all year long - well, the last 14 games at least.
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          • SidSmythe
            Hall of Famer
            • Sep 2008
            • 4708

            #6
            Originally posted by Cinnjerm3000
            "Pittsburgh Steelers (11-5 in 2014)

            Mean Wins: 8.1 | Playoff Odds: 39.5% (15th) | Wins Super Bowl: 3.1% (13th)
            OK, am I missing something here???

            Do they have a better chance of winning the Superbowl than making the playoffs???
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            Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
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            • Shawn
              Legend
              • Mar 2008
              • 15131

              #7
              I think 8 wins is very realistic. Unless the O can play at the level it played last year, even improving in the redzone and the D can take solid steps forward this will be a long long season. This schedule is tough. The good news? The Steelers tend to play with their level of competition and they could surprise me.
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              • Captain Lemming
                Legend
                • Jun 2008
                • 16063

                #8
                Originally posted by SidSmythe
                OK, am I missing something here???

                Do they have a better chance of winning the Superbowl than making the playoffs???
                Yes you are missing something.
                Think of it this way.

                Since Bens arrival the Steelers are tied for first place in percentage of Super Bowl wining seasons despite winning only 2 in a decade.

                We do not rank first in playoff percentage despite going to the playoffs a majority of those seasons

                Another angle. The Steelers have more Super Bowl victories than anyone. We rank number one. Nevertheless the odds of doing it in a specific season are small. We are nowhere close to number one in playoff percent despite dozens of playoff runs.
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                • Shoe
                  Hall of Famer
                  • May 2008
                  • 4044

                  #9
                  I don't get it either. But it is troubling to me how so many people think the Steelers regress this year. Vegas has us at 8 wins... I took the over obviously, but it seems like one of those sucker bets to me, and I don't get why at all. I think that Steeler Nation obviously skews that number even higher than it is supposed to be (since there are so many Steeler fans who think their team will do well) stands to reason that the number should go HIGHER than you'd like.
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                  • flippy
                    Legend
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 17088

                    #10
                    I'd rather look at the O and D rankings based on points.

                    2014 - O - 7 / D - 18
                    2013 - 0 - 17 / D - 14
                    2012 - 0 - 22 / D - 6


                    If we revert back to the 2012/13 average, we'll be 20th in scoring Offense and 10th in scoring D.

                    But that doesn't really sound right. The offense is in an upswing and there's no reason we shouldn't be better at scoring points this year. Ben says the goal is 30+ points per game. That could put us right at #1. Couple things jump out at me supporting that we can get better offensively. 1. Ben, Brown, Bell, Bryant all getting better. 2. Munchak being a year in with the OLine which should make them better. and 3. The D generated few turnovers last season which can't be that bad again. A couple forced mistakes = more chances for the O. We got to #7 in scoring with little help from the D or the punting game.

                    On D, I'd say it's still a big question mark. But there's a lot of young talent that should be on the upswing and improve for us. Last season, Troy and Ike were a bit of liabilities. I think Troy bled over to impact others including Mitchell and the LBs negatively. I have a hunch that we'll get improved play up front from the Dline and ILBs. The OLBs are the big question mark. Can they seal the edge and stop the run? Can they get to the QB? Harrison is a fine stop gap, but we have no idea what we have with JJ and Bud? I think Shazier fill the gap for Troy with his athleticism. Shazier and Timmons will free up Shamrko and Mitchell to play a more conservative safety position. Gay is fine on the outside. That leaves Cortez as the question mark and I see him improving substantially from last year. No way was that the real Cortez last season. I expect the D to be about the same as last year. But the big difference will be how they come together and finish out the season. We may end up 15-20 in scoring D, but more critical will be how we play down the stretch over the last 4-6 games.

                    Overall I expect the #1 Scoring Offense and #18 Defense. How much the D can improve down the stretch will determine what we can do in the playoffs. No reason, we can't get these young guys playing Top 5 on D down the stretch and gear up for Lombardi #7.

                    Flippy Prediction - 19-0 baby!!!! SuperBowl or Bust!!!!
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                    • bostonsteeler
                      Pro Bowler
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 1529

                      #11
                      Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                      I think that the easiest argument to make predicting a bad year is to say that they had a soft schedule last year (NFC South, AFC South, Jets and Chiefs), and this year they have a tougher schedule (AFC West, NFC West plus NE and the Colts).

                      Division rivals have same division matchups, but not Indy, Pats.

                      This D will face Luck, Brady*, Wilson, Kaep, Foles, Palmer, Peyton, Alex Smith, Rivers, Carr, Flacco, Dalton, and whichever poor soul gets the call in Cleveland. Tougher than last year and if the D does not improve they will look even worse than last year.

                      Fortunately I do believe that the D will improve and the O will remain dangerous. Remember, the O did not look like the O we saw until the game 7 comeback at home against the Texans on a Monday Night game. Coincidentally (or not) that was the first game of one Martavis Bryant. They averaged under 21 PPG in the first 6. They averaged over 31 the last 10. Wait until we see the full throttle O all year long - well, the last 14 games at least.
                      That's a mean schedule. Six of those QBs are top notch, and we haven't been faring too well against Flacco lately.
                      I'm guessing we get 11 wins, but make the playoffs and win at least one.

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                      • feltdizz
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 27564

                        #12
                        only reason we probably win less games is due to the schedule. I think the O will be just as good/productive and the D will be slightly better but since we are playing better teams it may not be enough to win 11 games.


                        I see 10-6.
                        Steelers 27
                        Rats 16

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                        • Shawn
                          Legend
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 15131

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Shoe
                          I don't get it either. But it is troubling to me how so many people think the Steelers regress this year. Vegas has us at 8 wins... I took the over obviously, but it seems like one of those sucker bets to me, and I don't get why at all. I think that Steeler Nation obviously skews that number even higher than it is supposed to be (since there are so many Steeler fans who think their team will do well) stands to reason that the number should go HIGHER than you'd like.
                          Well, we all want to believe the best. But, the realist in me looks at that schedule and knows we will be in wars...week in and week out. I don't see the team "regressing" but I don't see them improving all that much. There are some variables though that Vegas might not be looking at...one is Bryant becoming a real star this year, two is the progression of Tuitt and Shazier which would massively help our run D which was porous last season. Overall, I think our RZ woes will continue, we continue to get fried against great passers but our run D should be better. I don't think it will be enough against this schedule so 8 wins sounds about right.
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                          • Oviedo
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 23824

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Discipline of Steel

                            How about this winner?

                            "The offense projects to decline more than the defense projects to improve because of personnel losses on defense. "
                            Who did they lose on defense that wasn't past their prime and under performing? Maybe Worlds but to most he was a bum so how can that be a loss (not my opinion).

                            I think a strong case can be made of addition by subtraction on the defense. I am confident Butler will be effective and do well
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                            • Shoe
                              Hall of Famer
                              • May 2008
                              • 4044

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Shawn
                              Well, we all want to believe the best. But, the realist in me looks at that schedule and knows we will be in wars...week in and week out. I don't see the team "regressing" but I don't see them improving all that much. There are some variables though that Vegas might not be looking at...one is Bryant becoming a real star this year, two is the progression of Tuitt and Shazier which would massively help our run D which was porous last season. Overall, I think our RZ woes will continue, we continue to get fried against great passers but our run D should be better. I don't think it will be enough against this schedule so 8 wins sounds about right.
                              Barring injury... like everyone else, I see our offense being on-point this year.

                              Defensively as you said, we have some comers. I expect (not hope) Tuitt and Shazier to really make impacts in their 2nd years. All signs seem to be positive for both so far. (I'm not saying they will be Pro Bowl players, but I think they both should emerge as bona-fide starting NFL players, and flash star potential. In general, I think our tremendous competition at LB (probably a dozen talented guys clawing for a spot) will spark a lively and up-beat camp. I even think guys like Cortez Allen, Cam Thomas, and Mike Mitchell are bound to build on last season... I really do. And if a guy like Mt. McCullers emerges as something more than anyone expected, forget about it. (If McCullers can live up to his physical ability--WHOA. Look out for our defense.)

                              I think our O will be among the best in the league, and we'll have a feisty and competitive defense (something that couldn't be said in the last 3-4 seasons).
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