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  • hawaiiansteel
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    • May 2008
    • 35648

    Lolley: My ideal Steelers draft

    My ideal Steelers draft

    by Dale Lolley
    Friday, April 24, 2015

    I'm tired of doing mock drafts, even though I will do my final one later this week. So instead, today I'll do a mock eight-selection draft for the Steelers, who have eight picks in the seven-round draft, with the players I think the team will target in each round.

    Obviously, availability will have a lot to do with this, otherwise, I'd simply plug in Dante Fowler in the first round, even though there's no way he's there in with the 22nd pick.

    Round 1-Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest - I think Johnson will be there for the Steelers and he's a guy who can, at the very least, step right in as the nickel corner. I could also see Byron Jones being the guy. But if Shane Ray's toe injury causes him to fall, he's go a shot as well.

    Round 2-Lorenzo Mauldin, OLB, Louisville - Kid who had 16 different sets of foster homes could find a home with the Steelers. Was a productive collegiate pass rusher and is considered a high-character guy. Just what the Steelers need. If they go OLB in the first, then they go corner in the second, with Quentin Rollins, Eric Rowe or Jalen Collins being targets - yes, I think Collins falls that far.

    Round 3-Tre McBride, WR, William & Mary - Mike Tomlin bites the bullet and takes a kid from his alma mater. McBride is worth the pick. He's the next in the long line of third-round receivers who make an impact with the Steelers.

    Round 4-Senquez Golson, CB, Ole Miss - Golson isn't very big, but all he does is make big plays. The Steelers could use a player like that.

    Round 5-Shaquille Mason, G/C, Georgia Tech - Mason is the kind of athlete the Steelers have drafted in recent years on their offensive line. He's a bit undersized, but he can pull and run block well coming from Tech's run-heavy offense.

    Round 6 (1)-Wes Saxton, TE, South Alabama - Saxton is a better athlete than a football player right now, but the Steelers have a little time to develop him before Heath Miller hangs up his pads for good. He's a willing blocker and ran a 4.65 40.

    Round 6 (2)-Kyle Emmanuel, OLB, North Dakota State - A big-time playmaker at the lower levels, Emmanuel might eventually develop into a valuable backup with starter capabilities. At worst, he's a core special teams player.

    Round 7-Corey Crawford, DE, Clemson - At 6-5, 299, he's got ideal size for a 3-4 defensive end. He might never be starter quality, but could be a valuable backup.

    Well, there it is. I realize there are no running backs on the list, but there weren't any I wanted to take over the value picks of McBride, Golson, Mason and Saxton in the middle round. Then, you might as well wait and bring in a URFA.

    [URL]http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/2015/04/my-ideal-steelers-draft.html[/URL]
  • calmkiller
    Pro Bowler
    • May 2008
    • 1819

    #2
    I think we can do better than a 3rd round WR. I would take another CB in the third or a RB.
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    • hawaiiansteel
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 35648

      #3
      Originally posted by calmkiller
      I think we can do better than a 3rd round WR. I would take another CB in the third or a RB.
      the Steelers had quite a few WRs in for draft visits that are expected to be drafted in the first couple of rounds.

      a WR in the 3rd wouldn't surprise me at all...

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      • RuthlessBurgher
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        • May 2008
        • 33208

        #4
        When would the Steelers ever draft a wideout in the 3rd round? . McBride could be to Wheaton what Wheaton was to Sanders. He's a well rounded receiver who hails from Tomlin's alma mater who also adds return ability, so he will certainly be considered, but they could be more interested in a higher risk-reward type like Sammie Coates if he fell into the third since the team has shown interest (if he becomes more consistent and hangs onto the ball better, he could be a Martavis Bryant like monster of a pick). We'll see.
        Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

        Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

        We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

        We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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        • hawaiiansteel
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 35648

          #5
          Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
          When would the Steelers ever draft a wideout in the 3rd round? .

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          • K Train
            Hall of Famer
            • Jan 2014
            • 3685

            #6
            Mauldin is a nasty player, very violent. Also very stiff and probably not a 2nd rounder. The difference between mauldin in the 3rd and Valles in the 6th would be minimal IMO

            Kevin Johnson would make me cautiously optimistic. I like him, but don't love him. Basically I think he will be a starter in the league but I'm not sure he has the potential to be great

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            • phillyesq
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 7568

              #7
              Originally posted by K Train
              Mauldin is a nasty player, very violent. Also very stiff and probably not a 2nd rounder. The difference between mauldin in the 3rd and Valles in the 6th would be minimal IMO

              Kevin Johnson would make me cautiously optimistic. I like him, but don't love him. Basically I think he will be a starter in the league but I'm not sure he has the potential to be great
              That is my thought on Johnson as well. Seems like he could start but I doubt he ends up being more than an average starter.

              I'm fine with McBride in the third. The Steelers could use a 4th WR and it gives them nice depth in case there is an injury or in case Wheaton leaves.

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              • K Train
                Hall of Famer
                • Jan 2014
                • 3685

                #8
                I guess with taking a corner in the first you hope they could be a top 5 guy one day. Not necessarily revis or Sherman but it would be nice to find a joe Haden level CB. A guy that's been in the top 5-7 cbs his whole career. Even if it's not right away like vontae davis, or and up and comer now like Xavier Rhodes....they are just flat out good players.

                I don't see those man to man skills with Johnson but I especially don't see it with Byron jones. Not that they need that for the defense but that's why they take CBs in the later rounds. If they take one in the first id like to see a dramatic change, especially since Cortez is inept in zone as it is

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                • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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                  • May 2008
                  • 10281

                  #9
                  An okay looking draft, but a strange one considering that he described it as his "ideal" Steelers draft. You'd think that an ideal draft would be stronger. Funny though, I was going to start a thread asking for a reasonable draft if things break the right way. I think my ideal draft would begin with one of the top 5 pass rushers dropping.
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                  • hawaiiansteel
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 35648

                    #10
                    Wexell's odds:

                    STEELERS DRAFT '15: FIRST ROUND ODDS

                    Jim Wexell
                    Publisher SteelCityInsider.net
                    Apr 26, 2015



                    Any of several troubled top prospects could slip to the Steelers at pick 22.

                    One after another the troubles of those who had been Top-10 prospects have caused a shift in this year's draft rankings.

                    The draft's best cornerback was kicked off his team last November.

                    The best running back went down with a torn ACL a week later.

                    The best safety hurt his shoulder in December, didn't lift at the Combine and looked out of shape at his pro day.

                    The most sudden pass-rusher smoked so much weed late last year that even stopping for two months didn't help him pass the Combine drug test.

                    And the pass-rusher with the best motor has a foot injury that caused at least one team to strike him recently from its board.

                    Forgotten in this wave of trouble is Jameis Winston, the perpetual bad-boy quarterback who's come full circle and is back at the top of the draft board, tucked safely away from the Pittsburgh Steelers. Not that he was ever a question.

                    But who will the Steelers take at pick 22? Well, here are my odds with less than a week to go:

                    * La'el Collins OT-OG 20-1 -- The Steelers have shown no interest in first-round offensive linemen, but Collins, a terrific tackle-guard zone/power prospect, is listed only as my form of protest.

                    * Landon Collins SS 15-1 -- He's been the go-to choice of national media who don't seem to realize Shamarko Thomas will get first crack at replacing Troy Polamalu. Also, Collins injured his shoulder late last season and he didn't look like he wanted to tackle anyone.

                    * Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE 14-1 -- This is my guy because of his athleticism, motor, the way he overcame childhood hardship, his work ethic, the way he can turn speed to power and harass quarterbacks, and also his ability to play the edge in both the run and pass-downs schemes. But the Steelers seemingly aren't interested.

                    * Preston Smith DE 13-1 -- Less of a need is the 4-3 end who can move further inside on pass downs, but at least the Steelers have shown interest in Smith.

                    * Byron Jones CB 11-1
                    -- Jones has the size and Superman-like athletic skills, but for whatever reason the Steelers have shown little interest. Maybe it's the shoulder injury that wrecked his last season. Maybe it's Jones' lack of tape against top competition after moving to the corner from safety two seasons ago. But he seems to make sense in the way Ryan Shazier did last year as a 9-1 shot. But I've made Jones' odds longer because I believe the Philadelphia Eagles will pick him at 20.

                    * Jalen Collins CB 10-1 -- A lot of people who are smarter than me are mocking this guy to the Steelers. Yes, Collins has the size and speed, but the guy started only 10 games in four years (one redshirt year) at LSU. Collins even admitted his problems had to do with off-the-field issues. I just don't understand the attention from the draft media.

                    * Randy Gregory OLB 9-1 -- The best pass-rusher in the draft has two strikes against him: 1.) chronic pot smoker, and 2.) at 230 pounds was easily pushed around (and hurt) by the college game's bigger tackles last season. Also, there's a good chance Gregory won't make it to pick 22.

                    * Kevin Johnson CB 8-1 -- In my opinion, Johnson's a better cornerback than Trae Waynes, the consensus No. 1 corner in this draft. Johnson seems to be a better fit for the Steelers, too, but I just can't imagine Mike Tomlin getting all that excited about a 185-pounder in the first round, even if he is available.

                    * Eric Rowe CB 7-1 -- Size, speed and Rowe can fall back to safety if he doesn't have enough deep speed to be a pro cornerback. In his only season at the position, Rowe showed remarkable press-man skills and would be an ideal replacement one day for Ike Taylor as a lockdown type. Rowe may very well become my draft-day prediction, but right now there's very little public interest in a guy most view as a second-rounder.

                    * Marcus Peters CB 6-1 -- Troubled but exceptional, Peters is physical in the Steelers' mold. But is he too much trouble? Should a team that's lost an abundance of character and leadership take a chance on a guy who was kicked off his college team? Well, cornerback has never really been a position of leadership. Sometimes the ornery guy is too far away from everyone else to be much of a worry.

                    * Shane Ray OLB 5-1 -- This could be the player who drops into the Steelers' lap and causes another sprint to the podium. A foot issue hindered Ray's pro day numbers, and while he said it's not a problem, the Dallas Cowboys, for one, have taken him off their board. In a first round that's top-heavy with pass-rushers, Ray could be the one to slip, and the Steelers would likely pounce.

                    * Eli Harold OLB 4-1 -- Harold ranks a half step back from the top tier of pass-rushers in this draft because he needs to add more weight and is probably a year away from being much help to an NFL team. But Harold would some day be able to play both DE and OLB in the Steelers' packages, and he'll likely be available at pick 22.

                    [URL]http://pit.scout.com/story/1540982-steelers-draft-15-first-round-odds?s=68[/URL]

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                    • calmkiller
                      Pro Bowler
                      • May 2008
                      • 1819

                      #11
                      Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                      the Steelers had quite a few WRs in for draft visits that are expected to be drafted in the first couple of rounds.

                      a WR in the 3rd wouldn't surprise me at all...

                      Oh I am very aware of it and expect it. I still think we could do better with a later round WR. 6th or 7th would be fine. If we take someone in the 3rd I would prefer Tyler Lockett.
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                      Here We Go Steelers!
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                      • phillyesq
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 7568

                        #12
                        Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                        Wexell's odds:


                        * Eli Harold OLB 4-1 -- Harold ranks a half step back from the top tier of pass-rushers in this draft because he needs to add more weight and is probably a year away from being much help to an NFL team. But Harold would some day be able to play both DE and OLB in the Steelers' packages, and he'll likely be available at pick 22.

                        [URL]http://pit.scout.com/story/1540982-steelers-draft-15-first-round-odds?s=68[/URL]
                        I'm really hoping that it is not Eli Harold. I'd be fine with him in the second but don't like him in the first at all.

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                        • K Train
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Jan 2014
                          • 3685

                          #13
                          Shane Ray 5-1 and Marcus Peters 6-1 makes my heart race

                          Harold or Rowe would be very disappointing

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                          • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 10281

                            #14
                            Originally posted by phillyesq
                            I'm really hoping that it is not Eli Harold. I'd be fine with him in the second but don't like him in the first at all.
                            I think it was Shawn who posted a bunch of links of player breakdowns. I only watched one for Harold, and he was going against one of the top tier tackles in that game - I forget which. The entire length of the video he did not even get a sniff of the QB. He was eaten up completely. Granted, that is the extent of my Eli Harold experience, but after watching that I have not wanted to go anywhere near the guy.
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                            • RuthlessBurgher
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 33208

                              #15
                              The fact that Wexell provides odds for a dozen potential picks shows that this is not one of those years when even the most ardent Steeler fans have a reasonable sense going into the draft on Thursday night on who the pick might be...even beyond those suggestions, what if Trae Waynes falls within range of a reasonable trade-up? What if their preferred pass rushers and defensive backs are off the board, but one of the top tier wideouts that they have shown interest in falls? What if they prefer CB/FS Quinten Rollins to CB/FS Eric Rowe and CB/FS Byron Jones? What if they just say "screw it" and take Maxx Williams? This really can go anywhere...
                              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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