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  • SteelerMaine83
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    • Feb 2013
    • 826

    Do you pull the trigger?

    I've said before on this board that I would probably be a little more aggressive in the next few years than the Steelers generally are, hoping to cash in with another SB before our franchise QB gets too old/hangs them up. He showed last year that he still has enough in the tank to make another run, and it may be another 15-20 years before we get another QB with the "it"factor, so why not?

    So, here's the pull the trigger question: If the Steelers get the CB of their choice at #22 (let's assume they do, for this scenario), the 1st round ends, and we get to #36 (Jaguars pick) or so and O. Odighizuwa is still on the board (a guy that seems to get a lot of love on this board), do you try to entice the Jags with a lopsided trade-value swap? What I would offer: #1 in 2016 (no worse than 590 on the trade-value--let's hope--Lombardi #7), #2 (56-worth 340) in 2015 for their #2 (36-550 TV points) and #3(67-255 points) in 2015. That's 930 points from us for 805 from them. I would even offer sweeten the deal if need be, so they aren't down a pick this year by starting with an offer of our first #6 (199-12 points), In the end, I might even consider giving them our 4th this year if they wanted to push it. My rationale: OO is a 1st round talent, who's past injury history has dropped him some. He's a talented and strong pass-rusher who consistently generates pressure, can hold the edge against the run (something important for our OLBs). It would mean we have no 1st rounder next year, but I would look at this as getting 2 1st rounders this year, who will already have a year of experience under their belt when the draft rolls around in 2016. Plays into the win now with Ben theory. Also, this trade would give us 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, and I'd probably go 1)CB (likely Johnson, Peters, or Collins), 2) OO, 3)D. Smith-FS and 3b) J. Heuerman-TE. Four guys that might all be starters by the end of the year, all starters next year.

    So, knowing that we lost some in trade-value points to the Jags to get that sweet #36 spot (assuming OO is available still), do you pull the trigger?
  • RuthlessBurgher
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 33208

    #2
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    • hawaiiansteel
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 35648

      #3
      no, I don't like being on the wrong end of a lopsided deal...

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      • papillon
        Legend
        • Mar 2008
        • 11340

        #4
        Originally posted by SteelerMaine83
        I've said before on this board that I would probably be a little more aggressive in the next few years than the Steelers generally are, hoping to cash in with another SB before our franchise QB gets too old/hangs them up. He showed last year that he still has enough in the tank to make another run, and it may be another 15-20 years before we get another QB with the "it"factor, so why not?

        So, here's the pull the trigger question: If the Steelers get the CB of their choice at #22 (let's assume they do, for this scenario), the 1st round ends, and we get to #36 (Jaguars pick) or so and O. Odighizuwa is still on the board (a guy that seems to get a lot of love on this board), do you try to entice the Jags with a lopsided trade-value swap? What I would offer: #1 in 2016 (no worse than 590 on the trade-value--let's hope--Lombardi #7), #2 (56-worth 340) in 2015 for their #2 (36-550 TV points) and #3(67-255 points) in 2015. That's 930 points from us for 805 from them. I would even offer sweeten the deal if need be, so they aren't down a pick this year by starting with an offer of our first #6 (199-12 points), In the end, I might even consider giving them our 4th this year if they wanted to push it. My rationale: OO is a 1st round talent, who's past injury history has dropped him some. He's a talented and strong pass-rusher who consistently generates pressure, can hold the edge against the run (something important for our OLBs). It would mean we have no 1st rounder next year, but I would look at this as getting 2 1st rounders this year, who will already have a year of experience under their belt when the draft rolls around in 2016. Plays into the win now with Ben theory. Also, this trade would give us 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, and I'd probably go 1)CB (likely Johnson, Peters, or Collins), 2) OO, 3)D. Smith-FS and 3b) J. Heuerman-TE. Four guys that might all be starters by the end of the year, all starters next year.

        So, knowing that we lost some in trade-value points to the Jags to get that sweet #36 spot (assuming OO is available still), do you pull the trigger?
        I wouldn't and I hope the Steelers don't. (See RuthlessBurgher's cat for confirmation).

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        • Shawn
          Legend
          • Mar 2008
          • 15131

          #5
          No, I hope that helps.
          Trolls are people too.

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          • K Train
            Hall of Famer
            • Jan 2014
            • 3685

            #6
            Next years class is much better than this years imo...When you start talking about Vernon Hargreaves III, Kendall Fuller, Joey Bosa, Robert Nkemdiche and Shawn Oakman. If anything I would try desperately to get Jacksonvilles #1 pick next year so you could have a top 5 pick in 16 lol

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            • Shawn
              Legend
              • Mar 2008
              • 15131

              #7
              Oh we need Joey the next JJ Watt Bosa.
              Trolls are people too.

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              • K Train
                Hall of Famer
                • Jan 2014
                • 3685

                #8
                I lust for him

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                • hawaiiansteel
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 35648

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Shawn
                  Oh we need Joey the next JJ Watt Bosa.
                  we would need to lose a lot of games this season in order to get him...

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                  • Oviedo
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 23824

                    #10
                    Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                    we would need to lose a lot of games this season in order to get him...
                    Probably about 12 of them. Essentially Ben gets injured in pre-season and is out for the year. I'll pass on that scenario.
                    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                    • SteelerMaine83
                      Starter
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 826

                      #11
                      LOL, thought I'd at least get a little discussion about the idea (that was the idea), not just a bunch of resounding "no's". Rough crowd!
                      I think next year's draft looks about the same as this year's. The guys you mentioned will all be gone when we pick (from today's view--long way off) unless Gilbert falls on Ben (possible). I do recognize the fact we take bath when you look at the trade-value tables, but I am intrigued by the quality I think we'd get this year. But, sometimes things just don't go like you think--OO might wash out with hip problems early in his career, or something worse might happen (lest we forget Gabe Rivera).

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                      • K Train
                        Hall of Famer
                        • Jan 2014
                        • 3685

                        #12
                        Odighizuwa has not been linked to the steelers even once, unfortunately

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                        • SteelerMaine83
                          Starter
                          • Feb 2013
                          • 826

                          #13
                          Yeah, but I've noticed that a lot of the pre-draft buzz from the talking heads through the years and a lot of the pre-draft visits the Steelers have often had no relationship to who the Steelers have picked. Smokescreen?

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                          • K Train
                            Hall of Famer
                            • Jan 2014
                            • 3685

                            #14
                            Pretty sure the steelers pick someone they meet with or bring in for a visit something like 9/10 times in the first round...mendenhall maybe the only exception in the last decade.

                            I love Odighizuwa and I love his fit in the defense, for whatever reason they just dont seem interested

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                            • SteelerMaine83
                              Starter
                              • Feb 2013
                              • 826

                              #15
                              Yeah, I really think OO is a great fit with the Steelers--imagine getting him and one of the top 3 CBs? That would be a real coup.

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