Ben Roethlisberger's new contract could haunt the Steelers

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  • fordfixer
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    • May 2008
    • 10922

    Ben Roethlisberger's new contract could haunt the Steelers

    Ben Roethlisberger's new contract could haunt the Pittsburgh Steelers

    [url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ben-roethlisbergers-new-contract-could-haunt-the-pittsburgh-steelers/ar-AAatTf9[/url]



    Jim Meinecke


    No one can or should doubt Ben Roethlisberger as an elite quarterback in the NFL, and he was paid as such this offseason, but can he finish out his new deal healthy enough to be an everyday starter?


    Ben Roethlisberger is coming off the best season in his career, and the best season by a quarterback in Steelers' history. One where he threw for a shade under 5,000 yards, with a 67-percent completion percentage and 32 touchdowns to only 9 interceptions. He bested his previous single-season statistics by over 600 yards, and currently holds the top four seasons in yardage for Steelers' QBs all-time.

    After Joe Flacco and Andy Dalton received long-term extensions the last two seasons, Big Ben was due, but with 11 seasons already under his belt, can he stay healthy throughout his new contract which runs through 2019?

    It is not really anything new at this point if you are a Steelers' fan. Roethlisberger is going to take hits throughout the season, and a lot of them. At this point, fans just assume it is written in his job description and he will keep getting up no matter how big of a shot he takes. I decided to take a look back to see just how bad things have been for Big Ben.


    As you can see, Roethlisberger is the active leader in times sacked in the NFL, and it isn't even close. He leads Tom Brady, who has played 50 more games, by 55 sacks. He leads Peyton Manning, who has played an additional 97 games, by 132 sacks. Even if I broke down the statistics to the two quarterbacks Roethlisberger was drafted with in Eli Manning and Philip Rivers, the numbers aren't pretty. Manning and Rivers both have more than 130 less sacks than Roethlisberger and have nearly played the same amount of games.

    The all-time leader as most sacked quarterback is Brett Favre at 525 sacks, though they were spread out over his 20 year career. Roethlisberger averages a staggering 38.09 sacks per season. At his current pace, he will shatter the record Favre holds by the end of his contract, as he is on pace for 609 sacks. In fact, he is projected to pass Favre in year 14 of his career, so he would break the record in 6 less years...yikes.

    The final statistical column shows average sacks per game, and obviously Roethlisberger leads that category as well. The only other quarterback that many think of as "elite" with an average over two per game is Aaron Rodgers.

    Honestly, after doing some of the research, I was surprised Roethlisberger has only missed 11 games throughout his career due to injury. Even more surprising is how he has had some of his best seasons in the years where he was sacked the most. In 2009, when he sustained 50 sacks, he had the second-highest completion percentage of his career at 66.6 with 26 touchdowns to 12 interceptions. In 2007, when he sustained the second-highest sack total of his career at 47, he completed 65.3-percent of his passes and threw 32 touchdowns to 11 interceptions. It completely goes against all logic on the subject, but can Roethlisberger keep this up?

    Below is a quote from Gerry Dulac's article of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on Roethlisberger prior to last season:

    ESPN’s "Sports Science" show measured the forces that defensive lineman and linebackers can exert on quarterbacks when they are being sacked. The highest force was registered by Detroit Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, who exerted 3,200 pounds of force on a test-crash dummy. The scientists performing the study said the force exerted by Suh was "more like a freight train" than a car crash.

    "Combining the force data … and my knowledge of the injury tolerances of the human body, it is quite remarkable that Big Ben is still standing after so many sacks," said Richard Debski, an associate professor of bioengineering and orthopaedic surgery at the University of Pittsburgh.

    Make no mistake, the cumulative effect of all those sacks takes its toll on a quarterback’s body. And sometimes even more.

    In addition to all of the regular season punishment, Roethlisberger has absorbed an additional 55 sacks in his postseason history. That is not to mention all of the hits and knockdowns not included in these stats. Finally, not all sacks are created equal. With Big Ben playing in the AFC North, he has taken punishing hits from the Ravens each season in his 11-year career. This includes an absolute beating in this year's AFC Wild Card game. The most memorable shot was with a little over 4:30 left in the fourth quarter when Roethlisberger dropped back to pass and was hit in tandem by Courtney Upshaw and Elvis Dumervil. The hit drove his head into the turf and Ben came up a bit wobbly. Shockingly, after appearing dazed, he came back in the game minutes later. He would later proceed to throw the game-ending interception to Darian Stewart.

    One piece of good news to think Roethlisberger could make it to 2019 -- the Steelers organization is obviously not blind to the fact Roethlisberger has been taking too many hits over his career. It was one of Todd Haley's major areas of focus when he was hired in 2012. For all of the flack Haley has received from the fan base for his play calling, it does appear to be working.

    Roethlisberger has had the three lowest sack percentages of his career since Haley has taken over. In 2012, it was 6.3-[ercent. In 2013, it was 6.7-percent, and last year it was a career low for Roethlisberger at 5.1-percent. So, what does it all mean? While Roethlisberger is dropping back to pass more than he ever has - 584 passing attempts in 2013 and 608 passing attempts in 2014 were the highest in his career - he is getting sacked less. It is a testament to Haley, and to the offensive line which really seemed to find some continuity under Mike Munchak last season.

    The last two seasons, and 2014 in particular, were not enough to sway me. I do not see Roethlisberger making it to the end of his latest contract healthy enough to contribute as a starter. He has been Superman at times with some of the hits he has taken, but they are still taking a toll on him, and my guess is that he experiences a pretty significant and rapid drop off when it catches up to him. It was a signing the Steelers had to make, and it was the right move this offseason, but don't be surprised if the organization is second-guessing his contract in 2018 or 2019 like they are currently with Troy Polamalu.




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  • Chadman
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 6537

    #2
    6 years of Ben left in his career. It's not a popular theory considering the needs at OLB & CB, but if one of the better LT's is available at #22, would you think about it?

    I like Beachum. I like Beachum as an OL. But I believe I'd like him just as much as the LG, or RT as I do the LT. Foster is 29 & I believe in the last year of his contract. If the Steelers were to draft a LT to sit for a year, looking to take over the following season & letting Beachum move inside...the OL could be realistically set for the remainder of Ben's career.
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    • SS Laser
      Pro Bowler
      • Apr 2009
      • 1929

      #3
      Originally posted by Chadman
      6 years of Ben left in his career. It's not a popular theory considering the needs at OLB & CB, but if one of the better LT's is available at #22, would you think about it?

      I like Beachum. I like Beachum as an OL. But I believe I'd like him just as much as the LG, or RT as I do the LT. Foster is 29 & I believe in the last year of his contract. If the Steelers were to draft a LT to sit for a year, looking to take over the following season & letting Beachum move inside...the OL could be realistically set for the remainder of Ben's career.
      I do think this is a draft were a premium LT could be had at 22. I would do it and move Beachum to fosters spot in 2016. Now the question is which LT will be there? Who would you want? Do you like the kid from Pitt T.J. Clemmings? How about Jake Fisher? This draft idea could be the reason no contract discussions have been in the media for Beachum? Would he move over or want to walk? Oh yea which LT fits the scheme?

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      • K Train
        Hall of Famer
        • Jan 2014
        • 3685

        #4
        i think beach gets resigned long term.

        Clemmings is a guard, fisher is legit as all hell.....but the article is bs, he should have had $20 million more...legit home town discount for his second mega deal

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        • SS Laser
          Pro Bowler
          • Apr 2009
          • 1929

          #5
          Oh I also agree Beachum gets a long term deal offered just not sure it will be for LT. I know this is media BS. But many places have Clemmings as the 2nd LT in the draft? What are your OL rankings? So maybe this is not a draft were a top 15 OL player drops in the Steelers lap. Still might be a DL top 15 player drop though and be the "surprise" pick at 22.

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          • Oviedo
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 23824

            #6
            Dumb article and misleading title. What would haunt the the Steelers is 20+ years of being in the "QB wilderness" like we were between Bradshaw and Ben. A QB is essential to win in the NFL today and when you have one you hold onto them as long as you can. Every other position on the football is easier to replace than a franchise QB.

            Haley has been exactly what Ben needed and will extend his career by making sure Ben doesn't get killed by designing plays to get rid of the ball quicker.
            Last edited by Oviedo; 04-07-2015, 05:14 AM.
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            • feltdizz
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 27532

              #7
              Originally posted by Oviedo
              Dumb article and misleading title. What would haunt the the Steelers is 20+ years of being in the "QB wilderness" like we were between Bradshaw and Ben. A QB is essential to win in the NFL today and when you have one you hold onto them as long as you can. Every other position on the football is easier to replace than a franchise QB.

              Haley has been exactly what Ben needed and will extend his career by making sure Ben doesn't get killed by designing plays to get rid of the ball quicker.
              This guy would have been better served trying to convince us that we have seen more Ugly Ben than Big Ben in critical games the last few years...

              heck, he could of made an argument that Haley's dink dunk system doesn't require a 20 Million dollar QB and we could spread that money around to the OL and D like Seattle.

              if you are going to try and convince us it's bad to resign Ben you need to come up with a better argument than injuries.

              Pfft.. just lazy.
              Last edited by feltdizz; 04-07-2015, 08:43 AM.
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              • K Train
                Hall of Famer
                • Jan 2014
                • 3685

                #8
                Originally posted by SS Laser
                Oh I also agree Beachum gets a long term deal offered just not sure it will be for LT. I know this is media BS. But many places have Clemmings as the 2nd LT in the draft? What are your OL rankings? So maybe this is not a draft were a top 15 OL player drops in the Steelers lap. Still might be a DL top 15 player drop though and be the "surprise" pick at 22.
                Beachum was quietly a top 10 LT last season. Had one real bad game vs the bucs but otherwise he played very well

                Clemmings sure looks like a LT, but he is pretty heavy on his feet and I'm not sure his game will translate well to LT

                A lot of the top OTs this year are probably much better at guard. Scherff, la'el Collins, and clemmings. It's a very medium OT class, no real elite top 5 prospects but all those guys along with flowers, peat, and humphries could be first rounders

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                • Slapstick
                  Rookie
                  • May 2008
                  • 0

                  #9
                  News flash: Any huge contract could end up haunting the team that offered it.
                  Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                  • pfelix73
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 3458

                    #10
                    Misleading and dumb article. The guy who wrote it, must have had nothing else to write about with a deadline fast approaching..."News flash: Any huge contract could end up haunting the team that offered it."--- Exactly!
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                    • RuthlessBurgher
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 33208

                      #11
                      Originally posted by K Train
                      Beachum was quietly a top 10 LT last season. Had one real bad game vs the bucs but otherwise he played very well

                      Clemmings sure looks like a LT, but he is pretty heavy on his feet and I'm not sure his game will translate well to LT

                      A lot of the top OTs this year are probably much better at guard. Scherff, la'el Collins, and clemmings. It's a very medium OT class, no real elite top 5 prospects but all those guys along with flowers, peat, and humphries could be first rounders
                      Yeah, I don't see much consensus in the rankings of o-linemen this year. Scherff seems to be the consensus top guy, but who's next? Collins? Peat? Flowers? Humphries? Clemmings? Fisher? Any or all of those guys could come off the board in round 1 and none of us would be surprised, but I don't see any Joe Thomas types here. The second best o-lineman this year may be Cam Erving due to his positional versatility, which is a trait that we seem to love in our o-linemen. Erving is the kind of guy that you could start at LG, but he could also slide over to center if Pouncey were to get hurt or slide over to tackle if Beachum were to get hurt. He could be an interesting wildcard that I'm sure Munchak would like to have in his toolbox.
                      Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                      Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                      We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                      We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                      • K Train
                        Hall of Famer
                        • Jan 2014
                        • 3685

                        #12
                        Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                        Yeah, I don't see much consensus in the rankings of o-linemen this year. Scherff seems to be the consensus top guy, but who's next? Collins? Peat? Flowers? Humphries? Clemmings? Fisher? Any or all of those guys could come off the board in round 1 and none of us would be surprised, but I don't see any Joe Thomas types here. The second best o-lineman this year may be Cam Erving due to his positional versatility, which is a trait that we seem to love in our o-linemen. Erving is the kind of guy that you could start at LG, but he could also slide over to center if Pouncey were to get hurt or slide over to tackle if Beachum were to get hurt. He could be an interesting wildcard that I'm sure Munchak would like to have in his toolbox.
                        Erving was always shaky at LT but man did he look good at center when they made the move permanently.

                        Collins may have the feet to play OT, but hes a zach martin like guard I think...people compare Scherff and martin because they are white but Collins is probably a better comparison.

                        Scherff is awesome though, I think he will be a stud but no one is going to play him at tackle....short arms and kind of heavy footed.

                        Clemmings looks like the total package until you see him play.

                        Peat is a monster of a man, but he seriously underwhelms in most of his games.

                        Ogbuehi was awful last year, tore his knee up, but has the tools to be a valuable mid rounder.

                        Jake Fisher, imo, is the best LT in the class....dark horse to go in the top 10

                        Humphries and Flowers are good prospects physically, but struggle with kicking out and mirroring a defender on the edge....freakish size though

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                        • RuthlessBurgher
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 33208

                          #13
                          Seems like the OL and DB talent pools are very similar this year.

                          In both positions, the top guys (Brandon Scherff and Trae Waynes) will be off the board in the first dozen or so picks.

                          Then there are a bunch of different types of guys in the next group where there are a wide array of opinion regarding how they should be ranked...some evaluators may think they could be worth taking in the middle of round one, while other evaluators wouldn't touch the same guy until the middle of round two or so (La'El Collins, Andrus Peat, Ereck Flowers, D.J. Humphries, T.J. Clemmings, Jake Fisher at tackle and Marcus Peters, Kevin Johnson, Jalen Collins, Byron Jones, Quinten Rollins, P.J. Williams at corner).

                          The best bet to improve your o-line or secondary may not be to wade into that second tier tackle or corner market at #22...you might be better served to go for the top center/guard in Cam Erving or the top safety in Landon Collins instead, and then seeing which of the above-mentioned second tier prospects falls into your lap at #56.
                          Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                          Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                          We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                          We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                          • K Train
                            Hall of Famer
                            • Jan 2014
                            • 3685

                            #14
                            I agree with the similarities (meanwhile OLB is extremely top heavy imo)

                            Interior oline would be a tough pick to swallow though....Munchak throughout his career has shown he is capable of molding OL from a piece of clay into a pro bowler and he has a healthy balance of high draft picks and very solid mid-late round draft picks at his disposal now and they were playing very well last year in a pretty complex scheme that uses inside zones and traps very uniquely.

                            I think KC replaces their former FSU center with a new one though since Hudson cashed in majorly with the raiders

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                            • RuthlessBurgher
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 33208

                              #15
                              Originally posted by K Train
                              I agree with the similarities (meanwhile OLB is extremely top heavy imo)

                              Interior oline would be a tough pick to swallow though....Munchak throughout his career has shown he is capable of molding OL from a piece of clay into a pro bowler and he has a healthy balance of high draft picks and very solid mid-late round draft picks at his disposal now and they were playing very well last year in a pretty complex scheme that uses inside zones and traps very uniquely.

                              I think KC replaces their former FSU center with a new one though since Hudson cashed in majorly with the raiders
                              Yeah, I doubt that any of the Fowler, Beasley, Ray, Gregory, Dupree group falls to #22. We'd likely be looking instead more at guys like Odighizuwa/Harold in round 1, Orchard/Hunter in round 2, Mauldin/Kikaha in round 3, Golden/Trail in round 4, etc.

                              I highly doubt that we take an interior OL early either...just pointing out some similarities in the DB/OL talent pools this year.
                              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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