Who is this guy in this years draft?

[birtikidis]

I would think anyone with minimal football knowledge could have seen Mosley was a player. The school shouldn't have any bearing.

So guys that excel in a system are never passed on because they're looked at as system guys? Really?
There are tons of guys that that happens to every year. And the people that pass on them have a lot more football knowledge then you ever will.

[Shawn]

So guys that excel in a system are never passed on because they're looked at as system guys? Really?
There are tons of guys that that happens to every year. And the people that pass on them have a lot more football knowledge then you ever will.

Alabama runs a pro style D. What are you talking about?

[Slapstick]

There are many highly productive QBs as well, doesn't mean they are ideal first round picks. Also, I'm not really "complaining" about either pick. I am making an argument that physicality and pure technical skills are taking a back burner to speed and athleticism in recent drafts. I believe the new regime believes there are certain physical traits you cant teach and they value that over a polished product, they value you that over a guy who will lock horns and hit you in the mouth. It's a partial reason why this D is no longer feared, no longer intimidating and I don't see that changing with JJ or Shazier.

Eh, the QB is a false comparison. As a position, in both college and the pros, QB is unique.

I would say that productivity is taking precedence in those cases. It may just mean that the speedier more athletic guys are more productive?

[Shawn]

Eh, the QB is a false comparison. As a position, in both college and the pros, QB is unique.

I would say that productivity is taking precedence in those cases. It may just mean that the speedier more athletic guys are more productive?

Not sure what your point is unless you are trying to say college productivity most often translates to pro productivity. And while I believe there to be a correlation, just because someone was productive in college it doesn't make them a worthy first round pick.

[Slapstick]

Not sure what your point is unless you are trying to say college productivity most often translates to pro productivity. And while I believe there to be a correlation, just because someone was productive in college it doesn't make them a worthy first round pick.

Agreed. Also, just because somebody is mean, it doesn't necessarily make them a worthy first round pick. As the draft saying goes, "tape doesn't lie".

[Shawn]

Agreed. Also, just because somebody is mean, it doesn't necessarily make them a worthy first round pick. As the draft saying goes, "tape doesn't lie".

I would never make that assumption.

[Slapstick]

I'm not saying that you are, but you seem to be making the assertion that the philosophy of drafting players has changed whereas I believe they are just drafting the best football players available.

[Shawn]

I'm not saying that you are, but you seem to be making the assertion that the philosophy of drafting players has changed whereas I believe they are just drafting the best football players available.

I believe the best players in their minds are the less technically sound, speedy guys. So, I suppose you are right about that.

[K Train]

Yeah Antonio Brown and Kelvin Beachum....not technically sound right?

Brown with his blazing 4.5 40 lol

[Discipline of Steel]

I believe the best players in their minds are the less technically sound, speedy guys. So, I suppose you are right about that.

I would have to agree that each team has a little different philosophy when it comes to the kind of players they like. If you accept that, you would have to agree that a teams philosophy can change over time. Speed does seem to be more important to the Steelers lately, perhaps they believe those players are better suited for today's NFL with all the new rules.

[Chadman]

Speed, explosiveness & agility have all been "high priority" traits of the Steelers since Tomlin came in.

Athlets. Run-and-hit guys. Whatever else he calls them.

Timmons, Shazier, Brown, Wallace, Sanders, Allen.... you can name just about any 'skill position Steeler' and see that their speed, their cone drills, their jumping ability...it's all at least higher than average. The only exception to the rule might be Jarvis Jones.

It doesn't make them better or worse football players, but it certainly shows that Tomlin/Colbert view athletic traits highly enough that they look for premium athletes in the draft.

[Shawn]

I would have to agree that each team has a little different philosophy when it comes to the kind of players they like. If you accept that, you would have to agree that a teams philosophy can change over time. Speed does seem to be more important to the Steelers lately, perhaps they believe those players are better suited for today's NFL with all the new rules.

Glad I'm not the only one who is seeing it. There appears to be a different mind set with drafting ie Dri Archer, Shazier. I agree there are probably some rules changes that are playing a role in their selections. It's becoming a less physical NFL and they are changing with the times. I do believe it's part of the reason we have suffered in stopping the run. The loss of guys like Foote, Aaron Smith, Farrior were huge. We are drafting guys with the premium picks that are track stars but less technically sound. Anyone seeing Shazier and thinking he was anywhere close to being a quality NFL starter out of the gate would be deceiving themselves. Mosley was exactly that. He would have been a traditional Steeler selection. No way 10 years ago would the Steelers spend a 3rd rounder on a pure speed guy who would rarely touch the ball...from a small school none the less. This is a different approach in drafting. And I would bet if you asked the Steelers they would even acknowledge there has been a shift in what they like when it comes to football players. Does this hurt the Steelers in the physicality department? I think so. It's my opinion. Guess those with their panties in a bunch will just have to get over it.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Dri Archer's small school also gave us Jack Lambert and James Harrison. He played in the same conference that produced Ben Roethlisberger.

[feltdizz]

Dri Archer's small school also gave us Jack Lambert and James Harrison. He played in the same conference that produced Ben Roethlisberger.

Yup... sometimes we draft guys and they dont pan out immediately or at all.

Ike Taylor is loved by all and he went to Louisiana Lafeyette

[fordfixer]

Not sure what your point is unless you are trying to say college productivity most often translates to pro productivity. And while I believe there to be a correlation, just because someone was productive in college it doesn't make them a worthy first round pick.

Ryan Leaf would agree with this