opps, 11 out of 12 balls.....

[papillon]

According to Mortensen on NFL Insiders
1. Pats** footballs were checked at half-time and found to be under inflated
2. Colts footballs were checked at half-time and found to be within regulations
3. The refs notified the NFL and either were told to, or decided on their own to, re-inflate the Pats** balls before the second half.
In any event, this answers the question about whether the Colts footballs were checked at the same time (they were). Whether the Colts footballs also suffered from "shrinkage" (they didn't). Whether the weather could have caused the shrinkage (no, because it would have caused the same to happen to the Colts footballs). And, whether the footballs were re-inflated at half-time (they were).

Mortensen also stating that there is a possibility that the findings will be released today or tomorrow.

The re-inflating will end the proceedings against the Pats in the eyes of the NFL. The score in the 2nd half was 28-0 with properly inflated footballs for both teams. They still attempted to cheat, but I can almost guarantee that this ends the story according to Goodell.

Pappy

[legend of polamalu]

Just saw on CNN where they have Brady saying 3 years ago that he likes it when Gronk spikes the ball because it kindof depletes them and he likes depleted balls he states. Enter own joke here.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

"Second, as to the fact that the officials didn’t notice anything wrong with the balls while handling them after every play, the source explains that a pressure difference of one or two pounds would not be obvious, if the official is not specifically looking for it."

Exactly what I was saying (although they said it more concisely):

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The refs wore gloves, and with just their normal handling of the ball during a game, moving it, etc., they would likely not have noticed that a ball was underinflated by a couple of pounds. They would probably have to be squeezing it a bit, holding it more tightly than they would in their normal handling, to notice the difference. Players who are throwing, catching, and carrying the ball would be much more likely to be able to tell.

Do an experiment. Let about two pounds of air out of a fully-inflated, regulation football. You likely won't be able to tell until you grip it fairly hard.

[bostonsteeler]

11 out of 12 balls and all of them under by the same amount?

More than likely the Pats had a pin device made that takes out the exact amount.

The Pats* are like that friend who is a compulsive liar.

Try convincing the Pats fans about this. They're all like the Pats themselves -- arrogantly dismissing the entire thing as insignificant.

Any amount of cheating is insignificant in Patsland if it leads to a W.

[bostonsteeler]

The re-inflating will end the proceedings against the Pats in the eyes of the NFL. The score in the 2nd half was 28-0 with properly inflated footballs for both teams. They still attempted to cheat, but I can almost guarantee that this ends the story according to Goodell.

Pappy

As someone mentioned, the 17-7 first half score definitely affected the Colts gameplan in the second half. You cant separate the two and point to the 28-0 and call it a game. If that was the case, why bother maintaining score in the first half?

[papillon]

As someone mentioned, the 17-7 first half score definitely affected the Colts gameplan in the second half. You cant separate the two and point to the 28-0 and call it a game. If that was the case, why bother maintaining score in the first half?

All I'm saying is the NFL will use this reasoning to sweep it aside, slap them on the wrist for the first half and move along to the Super Bowl, it's over I'll bet based on the fact that the balls were re-inflated.

Pappy

[bostonsteeler]

All I'm saying is the NFL will use this reasoning to sweep it aside, slap them on the wrist for the first half and move along to the Super Bowl, it's over I'll bet based on the fact that the balls were re-inflated.

Pappy

Likely, though I hope not. At this point, I don't trust NE one bit any more and many fans will be like me. We'd have two leagues, 31 teams, and NE who will be assumed to be cheating anyway, so any game with them is irrelevant except for how the outcome affects playoff scenarios.

[lord_of_six_rings]

Today at 9, belicheat is doing a presser. No doubt either 2 things : they have the individual (or plural) under wrap - so as to move on or (John Madden is right) he didn't know and its brady (100%). Anyway you look at it Brady IS involved and a cheating liar. The matter is the degree. Sadly, the nfl w/ the ball confiscating should of isolated / secured interview w/ ball handlers (ball boys). Knowing goodell, he has allowed belicheat / organization to fab a "best story" to rescue them (pats).
Specifically, to the cheatriots fans / defenders - you know earlier this season many ex players and commentators noticed brady's skills (throwing) have decreased. Brady knows it better than all of us. SO when you are w/ a team which continually bends rules and actively gameplans to bend them....of course your going to do anything YOU can get away with in bad or cold weather. His VERY OWN WORDS, unquestionably prove he wants and improves his abilities. Finally, this is not the only game. Two weeks before they won.... barely. A couple "off throws" and they aren't playing this last week . In addition, they won home field by a game. The cold nov. / dec. had some close games. A single bad throw or two places these games outside NE.
So to conclude, Brady IS the main culprit without a doubt. Otherwise, you would have to believe some little bee brain let air out w/o brady's knowledge and direction and risked his job, probably jail, and public scorn- on his own! The outcome must include a 1/2 to whole season suspension of brady.
Lastly to address the colts score, the game's outcome was NOT known ahead of time. And regardless of how favored or confident pats fans and players were, Brady and maybe belicheat deemed it worth the risk and need to do it - PERIOD.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye1Iyz7vVbs[/url]
For those who haven't heard or need to brush up on spygate, here is a nice interview another member referenced. Specifically, the spying meant enough that belicheat did it in his former OC home stadium (jets) when Bill knew HE knew. Obviously, it was deemed so important that he couldn't take the foot off the cheating even for this game. Don't tell me "oh players still have to play...."

[lord_of_six_rings]

Jerome Bettis (on TV) you hit it on the head - brady is were the punishment must come down ...and hard.

Belicheat is looking at this Sunday night. He knows there is already an asterisk next to his resume. There are already sports writers who have reservations when his coaching ends about HOF. Another asterisk could "pete rose him". So Bill pins marsha.

So, I believe you Bill. However, marsha is a serial cheater (spygate prime co-conspirator). Remember how goodell puts so much weight on a players past. As a steelers fan, think of the injustice done to so many steelers for hits which were beyond a players control. Therefore, the boom must be laid down on him. At least a 1/2 to full season suspension. He is and should be viewed as Bonds, mcguire, rodriguez is to baseball. And don't be so stupid to think Brady didn't do it in all Nov / Dec cold games, while the pats made that final push to gain home field advantage....they all weren't blowouts like the colts game.


All you defenders remember this: Brady didn't know the colts final score BUT he deemed the colts talent and capability great enough to cheat to secure a more favorable outcome and performance.

[Eich]

However, marsha is a serial cheater (spygate prime co-conspirator).

Remember this?

It's easy when you have the answers to the test.

[Eich]

In my time as a coach I've never spoken to any player or staff member about football air pressure," Belichick said. "That is not a subject I have ever brought up. .... Belichick said he had "no knowledge of the various steps involved" in the way footballs are measured pregame and controlled to assure their integrity

In the same interview:

His only regret, he said, was not overinflating the ball, so if there was a natural decrease in inflation levels during game action, the ball would remain within the legal limits of between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds of pressure per square inch. New England will employ that tactic going forward, Belichick said.

So, if you've never, ever had a conversation about air pressure and have no knowledge of the way footballs are measured and controlled, then how can you have a regret about not increasing the air pressure to 13.5 psi?

[Sword]

In the same interview:



So, if you've never, ever had a conversation about air pressure and have no knowledge of the way footballs are measured and controlled, then how can you have a regret about not increasing the air pressure to 13.5 psi?

I take it he had a 3\4 day learning about air pressure in footballs and going forward he wants to make sure the min. is over what the league says is min. And that he regrets not doing this, I think your reading to much into word for word meaning on that part. I get what he is trying to say...He regrets not knowing this a long time ago or he would have done it...