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  • Oviedo
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 23824

    Art II making the call on LeBeau

    Could read a lot into this.

    1. Rooney wants to keep him and knows Tomlin wants to go another way.
    2. Tomlin is being loyal and wants to keep him but Rooney wants change
    3. They both feel there needs to be change and Rooney is going to take the hit with media and players

    IMO there could be change coming

    Future of Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau said to be in the hands of Art Rooney II
    By Neal Coolong on Jan 9 2015, 7:36a

    The owner, not the coach, is said to be responsible for the decision to retain or move on from Dick LeBeau. His successor, linebackers coach Keith Butler, would appear to be in the same situation. So what exactly would change if LeBeau was to move on?

    Post Gazette reporter Ed Bouchette pointed out theextension the Steelers gave offensive coordinator Todd Haley and one could almost hear the sighs of resignation coming from the Steelers’' organization.

    Not that they wouldn't want to keep Haley around after a season in which the team broke the franchise mark for points scored, but because it will no doubt be linked to defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau, and the future of leadership for a defense that has fallen well off its usual year-in-and-year-out dominance.

    Dejan Kovacevic had a great bit in a recent column regarding the Steelers' defense, pointing to a conversation he had with Steelers’ safety Troy Polamalu following the Steelers' Week 3 win over the Carolina Panthers.

    "You know … there was a time when a performance like this would have been completely unacceptable for this defense," Polamalu told Kovacevic.

    Kovacevic also noted in the column, "Any decision on LeBeau will be made ultimately by Art Rooney II, no matter what the Steelers say in the aftermath. That’s how it’s always been in this category."

    With news of Haley's extension having been broken Tuesday, the natural question is what of LeBeau's future? To be fair, we don't know whether LeBeau's contract was up, like Haley's was, so to say they signed Haley and not LeBeau isn't necessarily accurate. If LeBeau's contract is, in fact, expired, and the Steelers are mulling the possibility of pulling an Arians on LeBeau (not offering him an extension, which is tantamount to firing him, and announcing his retirement for him), things could get ugly.

    Such is the nature of this business, and the Steelers are no more immune to it than any other franchise in the league. Perhaps it happens less often, but loyalty in the NFL is only held in slight regard, even from those franchises largely considered to be the tops in the league.
    As Kovacevic points out, it will be Rooney's decision on whether LeBeau returns, and in his words, that's how it's always been. So Steelers coach Mike Tomlin apparently doesn't have direct say, although it's logical to assume his input is welcomed.

    On the other side of it, the Steelers are said to be grooming linebackers coach Keith Butler for the defensive coordinator position, and have been for years. The 2014 season was Butler's 12th with the team, putting him on a level of education and training befitting only surgeons in the NFL.
    If and when Dr. Butler ever does take over the team's defensive coordinator position, who would he report to? Why wouldn't Rooney oversee that decision as well? It's hard to believe Butler stuck around, amid multiple over defensive coordinator position offers in the past, if he didn't have a pretty strong feeling of job security, both as a linebackers coach and a defensive coordinator.
    No wonder he's stuck around as long as he has.

    Fault and praise are given exclusively to the coordinators, and rarely are either really given to position coaches. Steelers defensive line coach John Mitchell is widely regarded as one of the best position coaches in all of football, and these men make up the majority of positions playing within LeBeau's defense. Assuming Mitchell isn't retiring (not a sure thing at this point), it wouldn't seem like much would change if LeBeau was to step aside.

    Yes, that means there is no reason to expect the team to switch to a 3-4 defensive alignment - probably the top question asked every offseason. No, it doesn't mean the team is looking to radically shift the philosophy they've had on that side of the ball since Mean Joe Greene retired in 1981.

    Most of all, his fate is not going to be decided based on what the team is doing on the offensive side of the ball, or the fact they gave Todd Haley, one of multiple offensive coordinators to come and go with the Steelers. Whenever LeBeau does relinquish his seat, his successor will have well over a decade of training under him. It's only logical to assume, outside of a few wrinkles he may implement, the defense, philosophically, will remain largely unchanged.

    Knowing that, does it really make a difference whether it's LeBeau or Butler? That's the pertinent question. The Steelers may have a different man organizing the team's defense, but the only real change is the same constant change every team has every year; turnover.


    Maybe figuring out personnel should weigh more heavily on Rooney's mind, and maybe that's exactly why there isn't been word on whether LeBeau will be back in 2015.
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  • BradshawsHairdresser
    Legend
    • Dec 2008
    • 7056

    #2
    Sounds like a lot of speculation on everyone's part.

    In other words, no real news yet.

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    • flippy
      Legend
      • Dec 2008
      • 17088

      #3
      Wonder if Lebeau will retire and take another job with the Pats or someone else?
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      • Shawn
        Legend
        • Mar 2008
        • 15131

        #4
        The only useful information in all of this is that it will be Art's decision...no one elses. IMO, LeBeau will not be moved, fired or asked to leave. If LeBeau leaves it's because he is done with coaching. And I just don't see that happening. The fall out from firing LeBeau would be too great in the locker room.
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        • papillon
          Legend
          • Mar 2008
          • 11340

          #5
          Originally posted by Shawn
          The only useful information in all of this is that it will be Art's decision...no one elses. IMO, LeBeau will not be moved, fired or asked to leave. If LeBeau leaves it's because he is done with coaching. And I just don't see that happening. The fall out from firing LeBeau would be too great in the locker room.
          I agree with this 100%, even if Art II is the final decision maker I just don't see him pulling an Arians on Dick Lebeau. There would be absolutely no logic in that, unless, Art II really wants him to retire and Dick Lebeau becomes obstinate and forces Rooney to fire him and I don't see that scenario playing out at all.

          Pappy
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          • feltdizz
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 27564

            #6
            Owners always have final say over who stays and who goes.
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            • Slapstick
              Rookie
              • May 2008
              • 0

              #7
              Or, perhaps, LeBeau could continue to coach...but in a different capacity...
              Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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              • pittpete
                Legend
                • Aug 2008
                • 6825

                #8
                If LeBeau retires or leaves our defense will suck!!!!
                Oh wait
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                • fezziwig
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 3515

                  #9
                  I don't see our defensive woes being on Lebeau. Other than Timmons, Heyward, Gay, who is of any value to this team or what coach could have gotten a bunch of young guys, revolving doors of guys, backups, draft bust to this point ? We have no linebacker that can get to the quarterback, Mitchell didn't get the job done. I like Steve McClendon but he's no Hampton. Worilds, ha ha ha ! Blaine did a nice job as a backup but he is far from the solution. Troy, I love him but he should have stepped back two seasons ago. Ike was good in his day but over the hill now. James Harrison looks the part but he's not the answer... These number one draft pick linebackers have not showed up. Williams, Spencer Motes, they've done well but they aren't capable of making this defense what it needs to be. Maybe Williams and Spencer will become better but they are young. Lebeau had so little to work with. I think this might have been one of Dicks best seasons with what he had to work with. Who ever said decided to give Cortez Allen money, and Worilds money should be shot, stood back up and shot again.

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                  • Eich
                    Legend
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 7078

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Shawn
                    The only useful information in all of this is that it will be Art's decision...no one elses. IMO, LeBeau will not be moved, fired or asked to leave. If LeBeau leaves it's because he is done with coaching. And I just don't see that happening. The fall out from firing LeBeau would be too great in the locker room.
                    Originally posted by papillon
                    I agree with this 100%, even if Art II is the final decision maker I just don't see him pulling an Arians on Dick Lebeau. There would be absolutely no logic in that, unless, Art II really wants him to retire and Dick Lebeau becomes obstinate and forces Rooney to fire him and I don't see that scenario playing out at all.

                    Pappy
                    I'm not sure I agree 100% with the fallout part. If it were a few years ago, or even last year, then yes... the locker room fallout would be big. But with Troy, Keisel, Ike and Harrison likely gone, who's left that has a solid allegiance to LeBeau?

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                    • Shawn
                      Legend
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 15131

                      #11
                      Players get attatched to LeBeau, he is like a father figure to many. I would assume that hasn't changed with the new generation of player.
                      Trolls are people too.

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                      • feltdizz
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 27564

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Eich
                        I'm not sure I agree 100% with the fallout part. If it were a few years ago, or even last year, then yes... the locker room fallout would be big. But with Troy, Keisel, Ike and Harrison likely gone, who's left that has a solid allegiance to LeBeau?
                        Timmons and Gay?

                        I agree though, all his true soldiers are getting ready to retire.
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                        • RuthlessBurgher
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 33208

                          #13
                          Originally posted by fezziwig
                          I don't see our defensive woes being on Lebeau. Other than Timmons, Heyward, Gay, who is of any value to this team or what coach could have gotten a bunch of young guys, revolving doors of guys, backups, draft bust to this point ? We have no linebacker that can get to the quarterback, Mitchell didn't get the job done. I like Steve McClendon but he's no Hampton. Worilds, ha ha ha ! Blaine did a nice job as a backup but he is far from the solution. Troy, I love him but he should have stepped back two seasons ago. Ike was good in his day but over the hill now. James Harrison looks the part but he's not the answer... These number one draft pick linebackers have not showed up. Williams, Spencer Motes, they've done well but they aren't capable of making this defense what it needs to be. Maybe Williams and Spencer will become better but they are young. Lebeau had so little to work with. I think this might have been one of Dicks best seasons with what he had to work with. Who ever said decided to give Cortez Allen money, and Worilds money should be shot, stood back up and shot again.
                          Who's Blaine?
                          Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                          Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                          We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                          We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 27564

                            #14
                            Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                            Who's Blaine?
                            Blake + McCain = Blaine?
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                            • RuthlessBurgher
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 33208

                              #15
                              Originally posted by feltdizz
                              Blake + McCain = Blaine?
                              They've morphed into one guy! I suppose the combination of the two could be worth a starter.
                              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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