Roethlisberger's Playoff Woes

[Mr.wizard]

Obviously you throw the ball more if you are losing, and obviously you throw the ball more if your defense is bad because you cant put teams away, and if your defense is bad you lose more.

[papillon]

Obviously you throw the ball more if you are losing, and obviously you throw the ball more if your defense is bad because you cant put teams away, and if your defense is bad you lose more.

The Steelers were losing because they were playing bad and Ben was part of it. Regardless of the reason for the 40 plus attempts, history tells us that Ben becomes less effective when he throws it over the 32/33 attempt range. I love Ben and can't wait for next year and have said over and over that he has been such a unique quarterback that if you aren't sitting back and enjoying the ride (the good and the bad) you'll be sorry because he can't play forever. Enjoy the moment folks it won't last forever and there isn't going to be another player like him for a long time.

Pappy

[bostonsteeler]

The Steelers were losing because they were playing bad and Ben was part of it. Regardless of the reason for the 40 plus attempts, history tells us that Ben becomes less effective when he throws it over the 32/33 attempt range. I love Ben and can't wait for next year and have said over and over that he has been such a unique quarterback that if you aren't sitting back and enjoying the ride (the good and the bad) you'll be sorry because he can't play forever. Enjoy the moment folks it won't last forever and there isn't going to be another player like him for a long time.

Pappy

This is the right attitude..
We have a once in a generation QB. We may not see another like him in Pit in a while. Enjoy the ride..

[Eich]

Garbage time yards and scores in losses mean nothing. That's what Philip Rivers has been doing for 5 years.

Is that what you want Ben to be?

Yeah, those 12 TDs in WINS against Indy + RatsII were all garbage time yards and scores.

I'll give you this, you're consistent. Up until we win a Super Bowl, you spend all your time defending Ben with your hand-picked statistics and trash ownership and every coach involved with the team. When we're winning, you either disappear or tell everyone, "See, this is what happens when you do X/Y/Z". When we lose, you show up to tell everyone how you were right about how poor Ben is not used correctly. Unless we win it all, they're all misusing Ben and want him run out of town.

[feltdizz]

Why did Ben come back to throw that awful INT? That was very Favre-ish

[Eich]

Why did Ben come back to throw that awful INT? That was very Favre-ish

I think it was a coaching mistake to put him back in so quickly. He was clearly dazed. I really believe the head-bounce on the turf lead to that INT. Even if he passed concussion tests, I think they should have kept him out for that particular series. Bruce was doing just fine. But it's easy for me to say in hindsight.

[Slapstick]

The crazy thing is this:

He makes a point of saying that Ben's QB rating was higher in 2007. In fact, it was 104.1 vs 103.3. So, that is 0.8 points higher.

Now, look at the increased number of attempts versus the decrease in both sacks and INTs. In 2014 compared to 2007, Ben was sacked at roughly half the rate per dropback and threw INTs at roughly half the rate per attempt. Think about that. Furthermore, his YpA was higher in 2014 while his comp% increased by around 2%. So, it appears that the Haley "dink and dunk" myth isn't entirely accurate. Did players take some short passes for long gains? Sure. How is that a problem?

[flippy]

There is passing and there is passing. throwing balls downfield is one thing, but without bell and a legitimate rushing attack - i thought our game plan should have revolved around quick passes and short drops to get the ball out of the backfield and negate the rush. hate to be a monday morning QB, but with the pressure ben was under all night - even if that wasn't the game plan, we didn't do a very good job of adjusting to it. unless of course the only available adjustment was to have archer in there. I honestly can't think of another reason why he saw the field so much.

I was surprised we didn't come out in 5 WR sets given Bell's injury and Baltimore's DB issues. Plus if we would have run a lot of 5 WR no huddle, we'd have worn out Baltimore's big guys up front.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

I'll just say this to any BB Tread. Every equation where the Steelers win another SB over the next 3-4 years has BB in it. Love him or hate him...He is a piece that has to be in place.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

I was surprised we didn't come out in 5 WR sets given Bell's injury and Baltimore's DB issues. Plus if we would have run a lot of 5 WR no huddle, we'd have worn out Baltimore's big guys up front.

That's what I would have liked to have seen. I think it would have worked, too.

[feltdizz]

Do we want to win SB's or QB ratings and offensive rankings?

Cause all these stats mean jack sh!t when you lose a home playoff game. I'm not happy the way this O performed the other night and it seems like some people are ecstatic because Ben was "healthy" this year. Once it was crunch time we saw the same old offensive struggles we have been seeing for the the last few years.

I think Ben is who he is and all the "fixing" that we are trying to do won't change who he is when the lights are on and we need a playoff win. Ben is going to hold the ball, he is going to take sacks and he is going to need our D to step up and make plays.

People used to get upset when we had 4 sacks and WON a playoff game with Ben and BA. This TOP crap should have been thrown out the window. 4 wide or 5 wide no huddle should have been the game plan.

Yes, I'm still upset.

[steelsnis]

The 40+ attempts stat is so clearly flawed.

The Steelers don't lose because Ben throws the ball 40+ times. More often than not, Ben throws the ball 40+ times BECAUSE the Steelers are losing!

[Sword]

Coaches put players in a position to win or lose....
plays, strategy, routes, schema's, etc........

Even the greatest QB in history can fail by Coaches calling the wrong game plan....

[Sword]

I was surprised we didn't come out in 5 WR sets given Bell's injury and Baltimore's DB issues. Plus if we would have run a lot of 5 WR no huddle, we'd have worn out Baltimore's big guys up front.

you are correct, the game plan sucked and that is the number one reason why we lost....

[pfelix73]

You guys watching on TV wouldn't have seen it, but there were at least 3 occasions where Archer took off around the LT and was WIDE OPEN. Ben never saw him as he was looking the other way. 1 instance there was no Raven within 30 yards + of him. Almost like the Ravens decided not to play against him and put a 2nd defender on someone else. Baffling.. I was yelling every time I saw this....