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  • Mr.wizard
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    • May 2014
    • 6686

    #31
    Mitchell stays, he gets way to much criticism in a secondary with terrible corner play and a safety counterpart who cant do anything but blitz.
    Harrison is gone
    Troy is gone
    Miller don't know if he will be back but drafting a TE is a must
    I don't think we drop any of our corners but I think we draft one for sure
    Our O-line and D-line are not a huge concern, they actually played pretty well
    I wouldn't mind seeing them add a kick off return threat, so we don't start evey drive inside the 20

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    • papillon
      Legend
      • Mar 2008
      • 11340

      #32
      Personally, I think the Steelers as usual will surprise the fans with their selections, what we see as obvious decisions typically aren't to them because they live and breathe with the roster. The Steelers are drafting 22nd, so that leaves out an elite quarterback (if there are any) and an elite LT those players are gone in the first 12-15 picks. IMO, they don't need a WR in the 1st and pending Worilds situation and the lack of production from JJ (for now) an OLB could be in the cards, but doubtful its not how the Steelers operate.

      The young corners improved a lot over this season and I don't see either getting cut, but I could see a CB if one should fall because of a run on other players.
      In front office's minds the Steelers aren't thin at safety and they will continue to develop that group, I don't see Mitchell getting cut, but I do see Thomas competing for a job at SS.
      I definitely could see a TE in the first at the 22nd spot you're still, in all likelihood, getting one of the top 2 TEs in the draft, typically there isn't a run on TEs.
      I'm certain they'll continue to teach and develop the young defensive linemen and draft one second or third day for depth.
      Landry Jones hasn't developed at all and wouldn't be surprised to see him get cut and a potential backup drafted this year again on the third day hoping for lightning in a bottle which is what I think they did with Jones, but it just didn't work out for them.

      IMO, the 22nd pick will be a TE/CB/safety not necessarily in that order and take the BPA at one of those positions, unless a player that is so high up their board falls that they have no choice but to take that player.

      They won't draft a punter but I'd love to see an upgrade there. As someone mentioned earlier upgrading the kickoff return game would be nice, can't really do any better than AB returning punts and I wholeheartedly support AB as that guy, I trust him.

      Pappy
      Last edited by papillon; 01-05-2015, 08:16 AM.
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      The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

      1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
      3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
      3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
      4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
      5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
      7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

      "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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      • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
        Hall of Famer
        • May 2008
        • 3938

        #33
        Don't want back so I will "assume" Retire:
        Polamalu-Retire
        Taylor-Retire
        Harrison-Retire
        Kiesel-Retire
        Dick L- It has been a great run but we need "fresh". Division familiarity is evident & time to move on.

        Players People want cut:
        Mitchell-He will get an opportunity in 2015 to earn his contract. He will remain unless he has a disastrous pre-season.
        Allen-Same as above.
        Gilbert-Same as above.
        C Thomas-Cut
        L Moore-Cut

        FA that need to be retained:
        Worilds-I'm putting him here because of the situation the Steelers are in. DO NOT BREAK THE BANK. 6 MIL MAX or let him walk.
        Blake
        McCain
        W Johnson
        Moats
        Golden
        Spaeth
        Garvin
        Wing (Bring competition in.)
        Last edited by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY; 01-05-2015, 09:36 AM.

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        • BradshawsHairdresser
          Legend
          • Dec 2008
          • 7056

          #34
          Originally posted by Mr.wizard
          Mitchell stays, he gets way to much criticism in a secondary with terrible corner play and a safety counterpart who cant do anything but blitz.
          Figured you'd be on to defend Mitchell. So come on, break down the last game and explain to us how he actually bears no blame for his crappy performance.

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          • Jooser
            Legend
            • Jul 2008
            • 5106

            #35
            Originally posted by tiproast
            Just my two cents, but it looks to me as if your both your lines need more talent.

            Protect your QB, and get after the other team's QB. Everybody else looks good when you do that.
            This guy gets it.... We really do need better play out of the OL and the DL is just lost at this point.
            ​2019 MNFE CHAMPION

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            • feltdizz
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 27564

              #36
              Originally posted by Jooser
              This guy gets it.... We really do need better play out of the OL and the DL is just lost at this point.
              I think the DL is headed in the right direction. Could we use better OT's? Maybe... but they played well down the stretch and I think Ben is partially responsible for some of those 5 sacks.

              Also can't blame the OL when you go into the playoffs with nothing in the backfield.
              Steelers 27
              Rats 16

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              • hawaiiansteel
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 35651

                #37
                Starkey: Steelers' primary needs obvious

                By Joe Starkey
                Sunday, Jan. 4, 2015



                Ravens tight end Crockett Gilmore eyes the end zone before scoring a touchdown in fron of the Steelers' William Gay (22) and Jason Worilds (93) during the fourth quarter Saturday, Jan. 3, 2015, at Heinz Field.

                Have they peeled Jason Worilds off the Heinz Field turf yet?

                To say the Steelers' $9.754 million man was neutralized by Baltimore Ravens tackle Marshal Yanda on Saturday would be to say Three Rivers Stadium was neutralized by 4,800 pounds of dynamite Feb. 11, 2001.

                That was Worilds, buried under Yanda on Torrey Smith's touchdown catch.

                That was Worilds, pushed completely off the television screen on Bernard Pierce's short touchdown run.

                That was Worilds, far behind in coverage and on the ground on Crockett (Happy) Gillmore's touchdown catch. Nobody blocked Worilds on that play. He was sucked in on a fake.

                The only notable thing Worilds did all night was punch Gillmore in the face and cost his team 15 critical yards. And here's the real kicker: Just minutes after the game, Worilds already was acutely aware of the social media criticism his punch produced. He actually told a national reporter he knew the reporter had criticized him on Twitter during the game.

                Good awareness, Jason.

                Now, to be fair, Yanda “neutralizes” most opponents, even when he moves from guard to tackle, as he was forced to do late in the season on account of teammates' injuries. It would by silly to pin the Steelers' 30-17 loss on Worilds. Plenty went wrong, just as plenty went right in a season that should be considered a step forward for a team coming off consecutive 8-8 seasons.

                But if next season is to represent another step forward — and only the franchise's first playoff win since 2010 could make it so — then the Steelers must produce some real, live playmakers among their back eight.

                That is quite obviously their top priority.

                The dynamite is long gone back there, save for the occasional James Harrison explosion and William Gay interception return. Worilds' struggles Saturday underscored the team's glaring need for young game changers on a defense that allowed scoring drives of 80, 70, 57 and 69 yards to a team missing both of its starting tackles.

                The Steelers defensive line appears to be set and potentially is formidable. But aside from Lawrence Timmons, who inspires confidence as a bona fide impact player among the back eight?

                Free safety Mike Mitchell, as it turns out, played the entire season with a torn groin. The NFL Network's Aditi Kinkhabwala confirmed as much with team sources and with Mitchell himself. Mitchell faces surgery this week.

                That might help explain Mitchell's struggles, including his five-alarm fire of a game Saturday. But it hardly spawns optimism for that critical position next year. One still wonders: Was Mitchell's big 2013 season in Carolina largely a product of the talent around him?

                Troy Polamalu, sadly, might have reached the end. He did not change any games this season. It probably should be the end. Given Polamalu's long concussion history, you'd like to see him get out while he can.

                About an hour after the game Saturday, I asked Polamalu if it's reasonable to wonder whether he's played his final game.

                “Yes it is,” he said, without committing either way.

                Polamalu's presumed successor, Shamarko Thomas, remains a mystery, as do first-round picks Jarvis Jones and Ryan Shazier.

                The Jones situation is worrisome. He was supposed to come to camp bigger and stronger for his second year. He looked exactly the same. Then he got hurt. Then he couldn't find playing time.

                Don't look now, but Jones has played 888 snaps in his career, according to Pro Football Focus, and has come into contact with a quarterback precisely six times (three sacks, three hits), which is six times more than you or I have contacted a quarterback during that time.

                It's still too early to label Jones a bust, but Year 3 looms large.

                Shazier is another guy where you wonder if the body type fits the position. The Steelers need him to be a star.

                The cornerback position is one the Steelers have blatantly ignored and/or mismanaged for far too long. If their thinking was that average corners suffice behind a great pass rush, well, this team registered a paltry 33 sacks, its second fewest since the NFL introduced a 16-game schedule in 1978. So the thinking is flawed.

                Cortez Allen was a spectacular disaster. In addition to getting roasted regularly, he somehow led the defense with nine penalties, despite missing five games.

                The Steelers got lucky Harrison still had something left. But only a delusional optimist would see him as more than a situational player next season.

                As for Worilds, he played passable football for stretches. He had some good games. He's sort of a Clark Haggans-type who could complement a star on the other side. But he's not a game changer. He's hardly dynamic. And unlike the outside linebackers on the other team, he came up real small at the biggest moment.

                The guy Worilds replaced, LaMarr Woodley, will still count more than $8 million against the Steelers' salary cap next season. That's a lot of money for doing nothing.

                Kind of like Worilds on Saturday night.

                [URL]http://triblive.com/sports/joestarkey/7465683-74/worilds-steelers-game#ixzz3NySIse8M[/URL]

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                • Mr.wizard
                  Legend
                  • May 2014
                  • 6686

                  #38
                  Originally posted by BradshawsHairdresser
                  Figured you'd be on to defend Mitchell. So come on, break down the last game and explain to us how he actually bears no blame for his crappy performance.
                  He made a few mistakes last game but that doesn't mean he was horrible all year, He will be back for sure next season you can bank on that.

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                  • feltdizz
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 27564

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                    He made a few mistakes last game but that doesn't mean he was horrible all year, He will be back for sure next season you can bank on that.
                    People do a great job misremembering how good Clark was his first year when we had a good defense.

                    Mitchell arrived with a bunch of unknowns at key positions...

                    How good is Mitchell supposed to be when our D was in shambles before he arrived?
                    Steelers 27
                    Rats 16

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                    • steelsnis
                      Starter
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 980

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Jooser
                      This guy gets it.... We really do need better play out of the OL and the DL is just lost at this point.
                      How exactly is the DL lost at this point? Not sure what you're seeing but DL looks to be one of their stronger positions moving forward. Heyward is a beast and Tuitt looks to be a 21-year old beast in the making. McLendon played quite well this season (minus the shoulder injury) and Mcullers showed he's at the very least a capable backup NT, and at best a potential game changer.

                      Depth is is certainly an issue (as it is at most positions) but lost??? I don't see it.

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                      • NorthCoast
                        Legend
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 26639

                        #41
                        Originally posted by steelsnis
                        How exactly is the DL lost at this point? Not sure what you're seeing but DL looks to be one of their stronger positions moving forward. Heyward is a beast and Tuitt looks to be a 21-year old beast in the making. McLendon played quite well this season (minus the shoulder injury) and Mcullers showed he's at the very least a capable backup NT, and at best a potential game changer.

                        Depth is is certainly an issue (as it is at most positions) but lost??? I don't see it.
                        Don't know which way to point the finger but 22 sacks by the LBs is weak. To put it in perspective, the last Steelers SB team had 32.5 sacks by the LBs. Maybe better LBs? Maybe better DL? Maybe better CBs to make the QB hold the ball longer?

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                        • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 10287

                          #42
                          Originally posted by tiproast
                          Protect your QB, and get after the other team's QB. Everybody else looks good when you do that.
                          Football simplified in just one line.
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                          • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 10287

                            #43
                            In order to think about who goes and who stays, we should - as always - look at the cap numbers. Here are the savings (pre June 1) for some of those we are discussing.

                            Troy - $3.75M - His restructure this past off-season was done to minimize the effect of his leaving this year or next.
                            Heath - $2.33M - Team would eat about $3.33M in dead money, but his hit to play would be $5.66M.
                            Mitchell - $1.55M - This would be simply a salary dump as they would be forced to eat remaining $3.8M bonus money. Can't see it.
                            Cam - $2M - I don't know what they are seeing, but with his poor play, and with the emergence of Tuitt, this would be the first move I'd make in Colbert's shoes.
                            Moore - $1.5M - He is clearly no higher than #4 now, and the kids have one more year experience than they had last year. Could this be money saved by inserting a draft pick or Justin Brown?
                            Keisel - $1.5M - This is move #2 after Cam Thomas, but this move is made with a genuine handshake and thank for years of service and class.

                            Neither Harrison, Taylor, or Worilds are under contract for next year, so there are no cap considerations to letting them go.
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