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  • fordfixer
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 10932

    D giving up too many big plays

    PITTSBURGH (AP) — Dick LeBeau's defense is not easy to grasp. For that, the Hall of Fame Pittsburgh Steelers defensive coordinator is unapologetic.

    Yet for all the wrinkles the ever-tinkering LeBeau adds on a weekly basis, there is an underlying simplicity. Containment, not chaos, is the key to success.
    "We always talk about having a lid on the can," cornerback Ike Taylor said. "Once that lid comes off man, anything can happen. Anything can come out of that can."
    All too often this season, it has.
    While the Steelers (8-5) remain in the midst of a claustrophobic race for the AFC North, they've done it on the power of an offense that is obliterating the club record book, one that's done its best to overcome the alarming number of momentum-shifting plays allowed by a defense that can't seem to find anything resembling consistency

    Pittsburgh has allowed 13 pass plays of more than 40 yards this season, including five in the last four games. That's only three less than the team allowed from 2011-13 combined. Not exactly the way to end a two-year playoff drought with the erratic but explosive Falcons looming.
    "It's a little bit of everything," safety Troy Polamalu said. "We're not executing right and they're making great plays too. It's definitely something that we're going to need to stop, that's for sure."
    And quickly.
    While coach Mike Tomlin is quick to defend his secondary, he's well aware the breakdowns need to slow down.
    "We shouldn't be surprised that these guys are capable of getting deep, but at the same time it's our job to minimize it," he said.
    Quarterbacks have been targeting every member of the Pittsburgh secondary deep.
    Last Sunday, Taylor couldn't get a hand on Cincinnati's A.J. Green at the line of scrimmage in the second quarter. Moments later, Green was racing across the goal line after an 81-yard touchdown.
    The week prior, Taylor kept his eyes on New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees instead of wide receiver Kenny Stills only to see Stills sneak behind him for a game-breaking 69-yard score. In a victory over Tennessee, Nate Washington darted by William Gay for an 80-yard touchdown. Even Michael Vick and the offensively challenged New York Jets hit the Steelers for a 67-yard strike to T.J. Graham in the first quarter of a 20-13 upset.
    And Julio Jones awaits in Atlanta. All he did was torch the Green Bay Packers for 259 yards last week.
    "He is that offense," Taylor said.
    And this version of the Pittsburgh defense hardly resembles the one that went 13 straight years ranked in the top 10, thanks in part to injuries and inconsistent play.
    Taylor missed eight games with a broken right forearm. Cortez Allen received a five-year deal on the eve of the opener only to lose his confidence, his starting job and ultimately his season due to a busted thumb. Safety Mike Mitchell has yet to make a significant impact and the splash plays Polamalu provided regularly for years have all but disappeared.
    Now guys like Brice McCain and Antwon Blake, both of whom began the season near the bottom of the depth chart, are learning on the job. And while the Steelers point to progress — namely the way they shut down the Bengals in the fourth quarter last week — plenty of work remains to be done.
    Best to do it in the midst of a playoff race. It hasn't been perfect — not even close — but that's unnecessary when the offense is more than holding its own.
    "I feel like the concrete is settling with the secondary," Taylor said. "I feel like everybody understands now what we need to do."
    They just need to do it better. Now.
    NOTES: Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was given Wednesday off for the second straight week but it was not injury related. ... Taylor (shoulder/forearm), Gay (quadriceps), linebacker James Harrison (knee) did not practice. ... Right tackle Marcus Gilbert, who has missed the last two weeks with an ankle injury, did practice.


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  • SteelerOfDeVille
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 9069

    #2
    they have lots of sub-par parts. I suspect this will be a defensive heavy draft. I expect at least 2 DBs, one LB and a NT in this upcoming draft. Could see as many as 2 LB's, depending on Worilds' status after the season.
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    • Oviedo
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 23824

      #3
      Originally posted by fordfixer
      PITTSBURGH (AP) — Dick LeBeau's defense is not easy to grasp. For that, the Hall of Fame Pittsburgh Steelers defensive coordinator is unapologetic.

      And here lies the problem. Pure ego, arrogance and an I'll do it my way no matter what players I have or what the results are attitude. This is why we need a fresh set of eyes and a new voice. Even when it no longer works Lebeau will never "call his baby ugly"
      "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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      • Slapstick
        Rookie
        • May 2008
        • 0

        #4
        Wow. You make some pretty sweeping assumptions about what someone else is thinking....especially when you have never met or even communicated with that person.
        Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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        • papillon
          Legend
          • Mar 2008
          • 11340

          #5
          Originally posted by Slapstick
          Wow. You make some pretty sweeping assumptions about what someone else is thinking....especially when you have never met or even communicated with that person.
          In fairness to Ovi there is some defiance in that statement, on the other hand Lebeau has plenty of success to lean on to take that stance. In this case, since the Steeler secondary is either incapable of understanding the assignments, or physically not capable of handling the assignments, IMO, you need to try and prevent the big plays, they're killing the Steelers this year. The defense is ranked 3rd in getting off the field on third down, so they are managing the game very well, but the chunk plays are preventing them being an average to above average defense, IMO.

          Take the Cincy game, the total number of passing yards was 327, however 130 of that came on two plays and each could have been a back breaker for the Steelers, fortunately, the offense was incredible and was able to overcome the chunk plays, without just one of the chunk plays the game may have been controlled by the Steelers earlier. I thought the defense played well overall, save for giving up too many plays of 20+ yards.

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          1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
          3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
          3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
          4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
          5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
          7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

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          • Slapstick
            Rookie
            • May 2008
            • 0

            #6
            Come on, Pap...

            If some jagoff stranger on a message board criticized how Ovi (or anyone, for that matter) does his job and blamed it all on "pure ego and arrogance"...well, I think we all know what would happen...
            Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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            • Oviedo
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 23824

              #7
              Originally posted by Slapstick
              Come on, Pap...

              If some jagoff stranger on a message board criticized how Ovi (or anyone, for that matter) does his job and blamed it all on "pure ego and arrogance"...well, I think we all know what would happen...
              You're right because no one criticizes anyone on a message board. IIRC those same or similar words were often used on this board to describe Bruce Arians' offensive strategy and his hard headed approach to a vertical passing game. For some reason that didn't seem to raise the hackles of posters like daring to question St Dick.
              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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              • Slapstick
                Rookie
                • May 2008
                • 0

                #8
                Originally posted by Oviedo
                You're right because no one criticizes anyone on a message board. IIRC those same or similar words were often used on this board to describe Bruce Arians' offensive strategy and his hard headed approach to a vertical passing game. For some reason that didn't seem to raise the hackles of posters like daring to question St Dick.
                I'm sorry...I forgot...two wrongs DO make a right...
                Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                • feltdizz
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 27568

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Oviedo
                  You're right because no one criticizes anyone on a message board. IIRC those same or similar words were often used on this board to describe Bruce Arians' offensive strategy and his hard headed approach to a vertical passing game. For some reason that didn't seem to raise the hackles of posters like daring to question St Dick.
                  yep, the hate for Arians was STRONG.

                  I would say it was even delusional at times.
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                  • WindyCitySteel
                    Legend
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 15684

                    #10
                    We've been hearing these excuses about big plays allowed and lack of sacks and turnovers for years now. It's time to show LeBeau the door. We can't afford to wait years for young players to learn his system anymore.

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                    • SanAntonioSteelerFan
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 8361

                      #11
                      You know, ironically it might be the complexity of the system is the only thing between us and oblivion.

                      Yeah, our guys mess up on it, either because they haven't learned it yet, or even possibly because they're just not good enough athletes period.

                      But at least it is a unique system, and it probably gives opposing QBs at least a moment or two of hesitation, giving us at least a chance at a sack.

                      I have a feeling that putting in a "vanilla" defense that the QBs are more familiar with, combined with the non-star athletic qualities of our DBs, would mean that just about every QB would pick us apart for 40+ points a game.

                      OK, how much of a reach is that!!


                      We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

                      HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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