Opinions please! Why are we 8-5 and not 12-1, 11-2 or 10-3?

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  • Oviedo
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 23824

    #16
    Defense sucks! Probably the worst in my memory. Our Def Coord no longer has answers. Thank you!
    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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    • papillon
      Legend
      • Mar 2008
      • 11340

      #17
      Big plays given up by the defense are the difference between 8-5 and 10-3 or 11-2, IMO.

      Pappy
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      The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

      1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
      3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
      3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
      4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
      5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
      7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

      "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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      • Eich
        Legend
        • Jul 2010
        • 7044

        #18
        Originally posted by papillon
        Big plays given up by the defense are the difference between 8-5 and 10-3 or 11-2, IMO.

        Pappy
        We've given up plenty of big plays on defense in our wins. I don't see them as the main difference between 10-3/8-5. When Ben is hot, we win. As flip said, we have tons of shortcomings that you can point to. Giving up big plays on D is one of them. Eight times, Ben has overcome them, 5 times, he hasn't.

        It's not really putting the blame at the feet of Ben. It's not his fault that we have so many other shortcomings. It's hard to be superman for 16 games. But this season, he is the main difference - IMO - between 8-5 and 10-3 or better.
        Last edited by Eich; 12-10-2014, 05:17 PM.

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        • SteelCrazy
          Legend
          • Aug 2008
          • 5049

          #19
          Iron City Inc., Oviedo, and papillon are correct, in my opinion.

          The Defense starting with our OLB's and ending with our secondary are the main reason's we have 5 losses. Did anyone on this forum every believe there would be a day that a Steelers 3-4 defensive lineman would be our sack leader after 13 games (Cam - 5)? Inferior product (70%) and a lack of blitz packages (30%) caused this nightmare. Having our LB's in coverage is a waste when our DB's are getting beat 50 yards down field.

          Our secondary, if we can even call it a secondary is horrible. Ike is done. I loved the guy for years and still do, but he is finished. Cortez Allen, well I think the coaches gave up on him to early, but having Gay in the game was an upgrade, but Allen needed time for redemption. You just signed him to a big contract, (for us) so let him play. Troy is getting up in age, slowing down, but I believe he is still one of the better safety's in the game. He never was a great tackler, but with our secondary in the shape its in makes his misses look worse. Mike Mitchell was a wasted pick-up in FA. He is dead money, but still plays. McCullers would be an upgrade at safety.he tries to freelance like Troy but gets himself away from the play in the process. He also bites hard on play action which takes him out of the play.

          Our #2 pick should go on a FS.
          2019 Mock

          1. ILB
          2. CB
          3. ILB
          4. S
          5. CB
          6. ILB
          7. S

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          • BURGH86STEEL
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 6921

            #20
            Turnovers are at the top of the list followed by 3rd down %'s on offense and defense.

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            • papillon
              Legend
              • Mar 2008
              • 11340

              #21
              Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
              Turnovers are at the top of the list followed by 3rd down %'s on offense and defense.
              I thought I read or heard somewhere that the Steelers defense is ranked third on 3rd down defense and 5th or 6th on 3rd down offense. If that is true I don't think 3rd down is an issue with the Steelers.

              IMO, regardless of whether they win or lose giving up big plays puts the team in a disadvantage and I think the Steelers inability to stop big plays from happening is a major reason they haven't won 2 more games, maybe 3.

              Pappy
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              The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

              1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
              3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
              3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
              4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
              5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
              7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

              "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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              • RuthlessBurgher
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 33208

                #22
                Originally posted by Oviedo
                Defense sucks! Probably the worst in my memory. Our Def Coord no longer has answers. Thank you!
                I had no idea that you felt this way! Thanks for clearing that up!
                Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                • Oviedo
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 23824

                  #23
                  Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                  I had no idea that you felt this way! Thanks for clearing that up!
                  i'm always here for you
                  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                  • SS Laser
                    Pro Bowler
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 1929

                    #24
                    Here is how I see it. In the past when Ben was having a stinker of a game the D was good enough to keep it close so Ben could win it at the end. Now the pressure is ON Ben to be the elite QB. And some times he does it some times not. The D can not bail out the O now. The O can bail out the D though. If they can find some how to have a little bit of balance between O and D the rest of the season and playoff could be fun!

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                    • SteelCrazy
                      Legend
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 5049

                      #25
                      Originally posted by SS Laser
                      Here is how I see it. In the past when Ben was having a stinker of a game the D was good enough to keep it close so Ben could win it at the end. Now the pressure is ON Ben to be the elite QB. And some times he does it some times not. The D can not bail out the O now. The O can bail out the D though. If they can find some how to have a little bit of balance between O and D the rest of the season and playoff could be fun!
                      I can agree with that...Our Running offense is ranked 8th...our pass offense is ranked 2nd......our rushing D is ranked 9th and our passing D is ranked...wait for it................23rd! A little more balance on passing D and it could be a SB year!
                      2019 Mock

                      1. ILB
                      2. CB
                      3. ILB
                      4. S
                      5. CB
                      6. ILB
                      7. S

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                      • tiproast
                        Starter
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 643

                        #26
                        Originally posted by SteelCrazy
                        I can agree with that...Our Running offense is ranked 8th...our pass offense is ranked 2nd......our rushing D is ranked 9th and our passing D is ranked...wait for it................23rd! A little more balance on passing D and it could be a SB year!
                        While the schedule for every team is predetermined far in advance, and there's no way to predict which divisions will be weak and which ones will be strong from year to year, it's still the case that this year, the Steelers have played one of the weakest schedules in the league (29th ranked schedule according to [URL="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/sagarin/"]Sagarin Ratings[/URL]).

                        So those team statistics, while impressive, should be viewed in light of the competition the Steelers have faced.

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                        • SteelCrazy
                          Legend
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 5049

                          #27
                          Originally posted by tiproast
                          While the schedule for every team is predetermined far in advance, and there's no way to predict which divisions will be weak and which ones will be strong from year to year, it's still the case that this year, the Steelers have played one of the weakest schedules in the league (29th ranked schedule according to [URL="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/sagarin/"]Sagarin Ratings[/URL]).

                          So those team statistics, while impressive, should be viewed in light of the competition the Steelers have faced.
                          while posters on PS.com are random people from all over there is no way to predict which ones will be weak and which ones will be strong from post to post, its still the case this year, tiproast has been one of the weakest posters in the forum. (201st ranked poster according to Razzing Rankings).

                          So those individual posts, while boring, should be viewed under the influence.
                          2019 Mock

                          1. ILB
                          2. CB
                          3. ILB
                          4. S
                          5. CB
                          6. ILB
                          7. S

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                          • bostonsteeler
                            Pro Bowler
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 1529

                            #28
                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            Because the other team gets paid too
                            This!
                            Somehow we tend to ignore the fact that they are all just as motivated.

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                            • bostonsteeler
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 1529

                              #29
                              Originally posted by tiproast
                              While the schedule for every team is predetermined far in advance, and there's no way to predict which divisions will be weak and which ones will be strong from year to year, it's still the case that this year, the Steelers have played one of the weakest schedules in the league (29th ranked schedule according to [URL="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/sagarin/"]Sagarin Ratings[/URL]).

                              So those team statistics, while impressive, should be viewed in light of the competition the Steelers have faced.
                              Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

                              The Steelers actually have a far worse record (in terms of yards, points etc) against *losing* teams this year, than against *winning* teams. The "quality of opposition" logic doesn't hold.
                              We *wish* they would blow out the "weak" teams by scoring to the same degree as they do the winning teams, on a consistent basis. They dont.

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                              • BradshawsHairdresser
                                Legend
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 7056

                                #30
                                Originally posted by bostonsteeler
                                Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

                                The Steelers actually have a far worse record (in terms of yards, points etc) against *losing* teams this year, than against *winning* teams. The "quality of opposition" logic doesn't hold.
                                We *wish* they would blow out the "weak" teams by scoring to the same degree as they do the winning teams, on a consistent basis. They dont.
                                $$$$$$$
                                For this team, a weaker schedule doesn't seem to be an advantage.

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