What would you change if you were Tomlin?

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  • Steelhere10
    Hall of Famer
    • May 2008
    • 3849

    #16
    If I'm an OC I would fake several bubbles screens to his side and have my OL punish him when he leaves his feet. And hand the ball off with it.
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    • Eich
      Legend
      • Jul 2010
      • 7078

      #17
      Originally posted by Shawn
      Then proceed to fire LeBeau, and consider very strongly firing Haley. Play and develop young talent.
      I don't think you fire LeBeau. Way too popular with the players, fans and media. You convince LeBeau to retire and announce DURING the season that this is his last hurrah. That gives the players extra motivation to be at their very best to send LeBeau out on as positive note as possible. And Tomlin should at that time start imposing some of his own defensive philosophies.

      Fire Haley, yes. That would be welcomed by everyone - except the Rooneys.

      Play and develop young talent, yes.

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      • Shawn
        Legend
        • Mar 2008
        • 15131

        #18
        Originally posted by Eich
        I don't think you fire LeBeau. Way too popular with the players, fans and media. You convince LeBeau to retire and announce DURING the season that this is his last hurrah. That gives the players extra motivation to be at their very best to send LeBeau out on as positive note as possible. And Tomlin should at that time start imposing some of his own defensive philosophies.

        Fire Haley, yes. That would be welcomed by everyone - except the Rooneys.

        Play and develop young talent, yes.
        Of course you let LeBeau will some tact...you have to. But, you let him go no matter how you have to do it.
        Trolls are people too.

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        • Steelhere10
          Hall of Famer
          • May 2008
          • 3849

          #19
          Yep you Bruce Arians his azz or Bruce Lee which ever he prefers.
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          • Eich
            Legend
            • Jul 2010
            • 7078

            #20
            Originally posted by Shawn
            Of course you let LeBeau will some tact...you have to. But, you let him go no matter how you have to do it.
            I think it's win-win-win if Tomlin could convince the Rooney's to let him convince LeBeau to announce his retirement this season. Tomlin wins some power back and can start putting his stamp on the defense. LeBeau gets the warmest transition into retirement that he could possibly have. The players will give blood for him all season long. The fans and media will eat the story up.

            But I don't think it'll go down that way unfortunately.

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            • RuthlessBurgher
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              • May 2008
              • 33208

              #21
              Originally posted by Steelhere10
              If I'm an OC I would fake several bubbles screens to his side and have my OL punish him when he leaves his feet. And hand the ball off with it.
              Good point. Watt is a master at timing his jump to bat down passes. If the guy blocking him were to give him a nice double jab to the kidneys when Watt is playing like a volleyball player, possibly causing him to land awkwardly in the process, that could slow him down a bit. Not advocating trying to injure the guy or anything, but why wouldn't you aggressively block him when he has zero anchor with his feet off the ground?
              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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              • Oviedo
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 23824

                #22
                Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                Good point. Watt is a master at timing his jump to bat down passes. If the guy blocking him were to give him a nice double jab to the kidneys when Watt is playing like a volleyball player, possibly causing him to land awkwardly in the process, that could slow him down a bit. Not advocating trying to injure the guy or anything, but why wouldn't you aggressively block him when he has zero anchor with his feet off the ground?
                Actually, I'd advocate breaking both his legs if it led to a win and kept him from smashing Ben
                "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                • sick beats
                  Pro Bowler
                  • Dec 2013
                  • 2144

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Eich
                  I think it's win-win-win if Tomlin could convince the Rooney's to let him convince LeBeau to announce his retirement this season. Tomlin wins some power back and can start putting his stamp on the defense. LeBeau gets the warmest transition into retirement that he could possibly have. The players will give blood for him all season long. The fans and media will eat the story up.

                  But I don't think it'll go down that way unfortunately.
                  Tomlin has been neutered. After losing to Tebow in the play offs, and two non-winning seasons in a row, and losing to the Bucs at home, and then getting BLOWN OUT by the so-so (at best) Browns, he just doesn't have much clout over much anything. He seems to lack X and O knowledge, or, at least, has never showcased any such knowledge. He is a catch phrase producer, who "looks cool" but, at the end of the day, lacks substance. He is pretty much the antithesis of Chuck Noll: all talk, little action. Chuck simply acted and barely spoke. Players knew he was going to ACT to correct things, not just throw out phrases and threats, which is all Tomlin has. Noll had total substance. Tomlin has neat sayings and can twirl that head set cord like a super cool dude.

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                  • fezziwig
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 3515

                    #24
                    Get some killer instinct for one.

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                    • sick beats
                      Pro Bowler
                      • Dec 2013
                      • 2144

                      #25
                      Originally posted by fezziwig
                      Get some killer instinct for one.
                      I loath the "play not to lose" mentality. Cowher had it too, but he pulled it off most of the time. Tomlin coaches like he is scared. And his in-game decision making has proven below average, to say it nicely. When you have to call a time out coming off the end of a quarter, you are FAIL. That means you don't have your shizzznet together. He seems aloof out there. But, damn, can he twirl that headset cord and rock those sunglasses, so nothing else matters.

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                      • bostonsteeler
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 1529

                        #26
                        Originally posted by sick beats
                        Tomlin has been neutered. After losing to Tebow in the play offs, and two non-winning seasons in a row, and losing to the Bucs at home, and then getting BLOWN OUT by the so-so (at best) Browns, he just doesn't have much clout over much anything. He seems to lack X and O knowledge, or, at least, has never showcased any such knowledge. He is a catch phrase producer, who "looks cool" but, at the end of the day, lacks substance. He is pretty much the antithesis of Chuck Noll: all talk, little action. Chuck simply acted and barely spoke. Players knew he was going to ACT to correct things, not just throw out phrases and threats, which is all Tomlin has. Noll had total substance. Tomlin has neat sayings and can twirl that head set cord like a super cool dude.
                        Are you speaking of the same coach Noll that led the steelers 1981-1991? IIRC, we couldn't wait for him to be gone.

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                        • sick beats
                          Pro Bowler
                          • Dec 2013
                          • 2144

                          #27
                          Originally posted by bostonsteeler
                          Are you speaking of the same coach Noll that led the steelers 1981-1991? IIRC, we couldn't wait for him to be gone.
                          No one successfully does ANYTHING for ever. (You hearing me LaBeue?) Trying to paint a coach using only his last decade is an erroneous logic model. And just so we don't get it twisted, Noll's teams of the 80's were not completely horrid; I will tell you what, almost none of those teams were as soft as this one. They lacked QBs, on a terrible level, but they mostly had solid, tough defenses, and usually had somewhat of a decent O line. It wasn't as if Noll's 80's teams went 3-13 every season. Again, the major holes were no QBs worth a damn and the lack of play makers on O in general.

                          Actually, in Noll's 2nd to last season, he took this team to the AFC Championship game and we beat the Oilers and had John Elway's Broncos on the run for a lot of that game. I was excited when we got Cowher too, but don't let that get twisted; Noll's last decade was not a colossal turd bucket. We had respectable teams and seasons in that span. No Super Bowls, but we weren't jokes either.

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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 27564

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Eich
                            I don't think you fire LeBeau. Way too popular with the players, fans and media. You convince LeBeau to retire and announce DURING the season that this is his last hurrah. That gives the players extra motivation to be at their very best to send LeBeau out on as positive note as possible. And Tomlin should at that time start imposing some of his own defensive philosophies.

                            Fire Haley, yes. That would be welcomed by everyone - except the Rooneys.

                            Play and develop young talent, yes.
                            A Perfect Plan...
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                            • Sword
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 2052

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Sword
                              Realistically! what would you change to turn the Steelers around starting tonight?

                              I'm over last weeks painful lose for now....I want to be positive going into this game tonight...

                              This is what I would do.

                              Be aggressive the whole game and don't play conservative.
                              Blitz heavy most of the game even if you give up some pass plays
                              Keep Troy either up front or in the back but, not in middle.
                              Give new guys plenty of chances to play
                              Be balance in the play calling .... please no bubble passes!
                              take many shots down field .... play action
                              play no huddle several times in the game
                              On first down in the red zone fake the run and throw for a touchdown HM

                              Of course this means nothing if they don't mentally show up to the game, execution, etc...
                              Well they did part of the game and see what happens!!!

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