Should all the coaches still be fired asap?

[Captain Lemming]

Is it really that bad to wonder if coaches should get the boot after 2 .500 seasons, a D ranked in the bottom 3rd and 8 quarters of unwatchable football?

We won against what looks to be a good Carolina team but it's still one game.

Past success EARNS you time to turn it around.

DL has had a number one defense like half the seasons he's been a Steeler.
DL is the only person not named Rooney to have helped get us to every post 70s Super Bowl we've been to.
We have not been to a Super Bowl since Welcome Back Kotter was being filmed when we did not have DL.

This is a defense in transition.
We are one year removed from the number one yardage and number 6 point defense Dizz. He did that with an aging, injury prone team with corners who can't catch.

We go into next weeks game with all of TWO PLAYERS who were starters from that team.

Im not calling it good or bad.

However to call for someone's head with that record of success, under these circumstances is "premature" in my opinion.

[Captain Lemming]

Does anyone know the procedures of how the Steelers draft ? Is it by need, best athlete available ? Do they have both inside and outside people looking over players ? Does Tomlin or his staff tell the front office, " a safety is what this team needs, find us the best one available ? " No matter what the scenario, I think they haven't hit the mark in a long time. Castro, Pouncey seem like good picks and so have our receiving group but after that its been lukewarm

Combination.
BPA at one of a number of designated positions in the first.

BTW......seems we drafted a DE and RB that weren't too shabby on Sunday.

[Shawn]

Is it really that bad to wonder if coaches should get the boot after 2 .500 seasons, a D ranked in the bottom 3rd and 8 quarters of unwatchable football?

We won against what looks to be a good Carolina team but it's still one game.

I agree. No it's not unreasonable. I have seen the D be the biggest problem over the course of the last few seasons. So, not asking whether or not the game has passed LeBeau by is prudent and not in the least bit premature.

[Shawn]

Past success EARNS you time to turn it around.

DL has had a number one defense like half the seasons he's been a Steeler.
DL is the only person not named Rooney to have helped get us to every post 70s Super Bowl we've been to.
We have not been to a Super Bowl since Welcome Back Kotter was being filmed when we did not have DL.

This is a defense in transition.
We are one year removed from the number one yardage and number 6 point defense Dizz. He did that with an aging, injury prone team with corners who can't catch.

We go into next weeks game with all of TWO PLAYERS who were starters from that team.

Im not calling it good or bad.

However to call for someone's head with that record of success, under these circumstances is "premature" in my opinion.

You certainly have a right to your opinion but it's not a past success kind of league. It's a what have you done for me lately kind of league. When you have an elderly DC who's D's have long been figured out and your Ds have struggled historically against top passing talent, and have put together horrid products over the last couple seasons...it's fair to say there will be speculation...not just from fans but also in the media.

[Shawn]

Does anyone know the procedures of how the Steelers draft ? Is it by need, best athlete available ? Do they have both inside and outside people looking over players ? Does Tomlin or his staff tell the front office, " a safety is what this team needs, find us the best one available ? " No matter what the scenario, I think they haven't hit the mark in a long time. Castro, Pouncey seem like good picks and so have our receiving group but after that its been lukewarm

Best available in a position of need, a combination of Colbert and Tomlin.

[Captain Lemming]

I agree. No it's not unreasonable. I have seen the D be the biggest problem over the course of the last few seasons. So, not asking whether or not the game has passed LeBeau by is prudent and not in the least bit premature.

You certainly have a right to your opinion but it's not a past success kind of league. It's a what have you done for me lately kind of league. When you have an elderly DC who's D's have long been figured out and your Ds have struggled historically against top passing talent, and have put together horrid products over the last couple seasons...it's fair to say there will be speculation...not just from fans but also in the media.

We are one season removed from:

2012
Number 1 yardage number 6 point defense.
Number 22 yardage number 21 point offense.

Steeler fans are spoiled into ridiculous expectations from the defense while overestimating our offense. We had like the 20th offense during our last Super Bowl win but nobody knows that.

Last season we had an average to below average defense. It has not been all that long people.

[RShazier50]

Yes, it is. Do you know who starts going through coaches after 2 .500 seasons?

The Browns, that's who.

Or the Jags, or the Raiders, or [insert the name of bad team here].

The Brown have had around 20 coaches in the same time the Steelers have had 3.

Since 1992, the Steelers have almost always picked in the high 20's to low 30's. There have been a few exceptions but not a lot. The NFL is set up to punish success. There was bound to be a transition period.

BTW...historically, the Steelers draft BPA. If it happens to coincide with a need great but they do not often reach based on need. Again, there have been exceptions (Troy Edwards) but not many. As to who actually has the ultimate finger on the drafting trigger, I got the vibe that it was a Cowher/Colbert consensus. Tomlin/Colbert maybe?

I believe their senior scouts have a bit of input as well.

Some teams would consider the record the Steelers have while rebuilding a pretty good year.

[Shawn]

You have to look at trends and the future of the organization. Does anyone here really believe that LeBeau is the future of this organization? It's not just about 8-8 seasons. Its about a declining trend of the D over the course of many seasons. With young talent, it's about LeBeaus age and wondering if a transition to a new D coordinator should happen sooner or later (and trust me it's coming).

[RuthlessBurgher]

I think the more time that young players spend with Dick LeBeau, the better off they should be in the long run.

[Shawn]

We are one season removed from:

2012
Number 1 yardage number 6 point defense.
Number 22 yardage number 21 point offense.

Steeler fans are spoiled into ridiculous expectations from the defense while overestimating our offense. We had like the 20th offense during our last Super Bowl win but nobody knows that.

Last season we had an average to below average defense. It has not been all that long people.

Anyone quoting stats can't be watching the games. When is the last time we had a feared D...one teams feared and respected? When was the last time we stopped and beat a high powered passing O such as Denver? Do you recall getting knocked out of the playoffs by a rookie QB who is currently out of the league? Your point about having the 20th ranked D during a SB year actually hurts your argument. It's not about stats...its about creating turnovers...it's not about total yards given up and more about stopping teams on 3rd down...and in times of need. It's less about how many yards on average do teams run on us and more about if the Steelers get stops when they need to. Teams who step up during crucial downs, and find a way to get a big turnover win games...not the team with the best D stats.

[Shawn]

I think the more time that young players spend with Dick LeBeau, the better off they should be in the long run.

You may be correct, and it's mere speculation from us mortals...but I have to wonder if learning a new system will set this team back years vs. games depending on the timing of a LeBeau retirement.

[Discipline of Steel]

Half a great game, half a crap game, a complete crap game, a complete great game...call it even overall.

I would call it even except we are 2-1. Based solely on that fact, this year is much more promising than last year was.

[Slapstick]

You may be correct, and it's mere speculation from us mortals...but I have to wonder if learning a new system will set this team back years vs. games depending on the timing of a LeBeau retirement.

It depends on how "new" the new system is...

If Butler takes over the defense as expected, I would guess that he would rely heavily on the experience he gained working with this defense for the last 12 years, 11 of them with Coach LeBeau....

[sick beats]

Just a thought but we could...COULD mind you...stop swinging back and forth in emotional temper tantrums like 6th grade girls and let the season play out?

The Steelers aren't going to go undefeated the rest of the way. They are going to lose again.

They also proved they can go on the road and beat a playoff team decisively.

Can't we wait and see what happens?

This is a message board; if we waited it all to play out before we gave our two cents, there would be nothing to talk about. They just had a great game; we should relish in it. If they come out and lay an egg to the likes of the Bucs or Jags, you can be rest assured some of us will freak out about it.

[hawaiiansteel]

hire them all back.

unless of course, we lose another game...