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  • hawaiiansteel
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 35648

    Veteran Lawrence Timmons part of tackling woes

    Steelers notebook: Veteran Lawrence Timmons part of tackling woes

    By Ray Fittipaldo / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



    Steelers linebacker Lawrence Timmons once went through an entire season with only six missed tackles. Thursday night against the Baltimore Ravens, Timmons missed five.

    It has been a rough start to the season for the veteran inside linebacker, who also missed three tackles in the opener against the Cleveland Browns. One explanation for his early struggles is the new position his coaches are asking him to play this season.

    When the Steelers selected Ryan Shazier in the draft in May, they plugged him in at the mack inside linebacker position, where Timmons played his first seven seasons. Timmons moved to the buck position, where Larry Foote played and called the defensive signals.

    “Being at the buck position, you have to get everyone lined up, you have to get lined up yourself and know what you’re doing,” Timmons said. “And you have to know the situation. There is a lot that goes into it. I’m a field general out there. I have to be on my details on everything.”

    Timmons didn’t blame the position switch for his early struggles, but there is no substitute for experience, even for an eighth-year veteran.

    “I feel like it’s coming along real well,” he said. “I’m getting better and better at it as the days go on. I’m picking up as much as I can in the classroom and listening to the coaches. I’m going to keep attacking it.”

    Timmons’ tackling mishaps against the Ravens were part of a larger epidemic for the Steelers, who missed 15 as a defense in the 26-6 loss. Through two games, the Steelers have missed 26 tackles. They are on pace to miss twice as many tackles as they did last year, when they averaged 6.8 missed tackles per game.

    “Sometimes you get geeked up and you really want to make the play,” Timmons said. “Sometimes you’ll go hard and overrun it. Other times you’re not as aggressive as you should be. It’s a combination of being balanced and just getting the guy down.”

    Moore set to play

    Receiver Lance Moore, who missed the first two games with a groin injury, went through a full practice Monday and, barring any setbacks, will make his Steelers debut Sunday night at Carolina.

    Moore’s injury has lingered for a month, but he said he finally feels well enough to help.

    “It takes time,” Moore said. “The days I was thinking I was ready I kind of did a little, and it wasn’t ready yet. You can continue to do that and make it worse, or sit out and hope it heals on its own. I think that’s where we are now. I felt better [Monday] than I have in a number of weeks. I look forward to continue to get better.”

    Moore was signed over the offseason to play the slot-receiver position Jerricho Cotchery occupied the previous three seasons for the Steelers. Cotchery signed as a free agent with Carolina after last season and has eight receptions for 78 yards for the Panthers, who won their first two games.

    Justin Brown, a sixth-round draft pick in 2013, played the slot in the first two games. He made four catches, but also had a crucial fumble that halted a drive in Baltimore territory.

    “I think, first and foremost, I’ll bring some experience,” Moore said. “I’ve played a lot of ball. Maybe I’ll have a different understanding than some of the guys have and another perspective. Everyone has something to say when we come off the field. I think it’s a lot easier for guys to take that information in if I’m on the field with them.”

    Moore said it was too early to know how much he’ll play against Carolina.

    “I’m trying to do whatever I can to help,” Moore said. “If they want me to come and play a bunch of snaps, I’ll be ready. If they want me to play a few snaps because it’s first game, that’s what I’ll do.”

    [URL]http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/s...s/201409160102[/URL]
  • feltdizz
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 27532

    #2
    Smh... maybe we should have drafted a Buck and left Timmons at the Mack position.
    Steelers 27
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    • K Train
      Hall of Famer
      • Jan 2014
      • 3685

      #3
      I heard he was sick and throwing up on the sideline

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      • BradshawsHairdresser
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 7056

        #4
        Originally posted by K Train
        I heard he was sick and throwing up on the sideline
        I was sick and throwing up in my living room watching him and his mates get thrashed by the Ravens O.

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        • NorthCoast
          Legend
          • Sep 2008
          • 26636

          #5
          "I blame LeBeau for the missed tackles"...... said a chorus of Steeler fans.

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          • steelz09
            Administrator
            • Jan 2008
            • 4675

            #6
            Maybe if he plays 7 years and has a cap hit of nearly 12 million, he'll become the pro bowl LB that people hoped for....

            Oh wait, he's already played 7 years and has a cap hit close to 12 million.... nevermind.
            Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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            • SteelCrazy
              Legend
              • Aug 2008
              • 5049

              #7
              Can't Timmons call the plays and line up everyone from the mack?
              2019 Mock

              1. ILB
              2. CB
              3. ILB
              4. S
              5. CB
              6. ILB
              7. S

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              • brazilsteel
                Backup
                • Sep 2014
                • 182

                #8
                From 2009 to 2012, Timmons missed 33 tackles. 33 missed tackles in 4 seasons. Last game he missed 5 tackles. Against the Browns, he missed 3.
                In two games, he missed something close to 1/4 of those numbers, that is something like the number of tackles he would miss in one of those seasons (2009~2012).
                If I spell a word incorrectly or make a grammar mistake, I apologize. English is not my native language.

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                • Vader
                  Backup
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 289

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SteelCrazy
                  Can't Timmons call the plays and line up everyone from the mack?
                  They don't have a buck ILB on the team except for Williams. Shazier, Timmons, and Spence are all mack ILBs. So it isn't about calling the defense, it's about not having any one that can play the buck position. They aren't going to sit Shazier so they can move Timmons back to mack and play Williams.

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                  • sick beats
                    Pro Bowler
                    • Dec 2013
                    • 2144

                    #10
                    Originally posted by K Train
                    I heard he was sick and throwing up on the sideline
                    So he was doing what the rest of us were doing last week during the game?

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                    • SteelerOfDeVille
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 9069

                      #11
                      Originally posted by feltdizz
                      Smh... maybe we should have drafted a Buck and left Timmons at the Mack position.
                      I've argued for several years we needed a "thumper" at LB... pretty much what the Buck's job is (after signal calling).

                      In all fairness, though, Farrior wasn't a natural Buck, but, that worked out... Timmons can make it happen.
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                      • feltdizz
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 27532

                        #12
                        Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                        I've argued for several years we needed a "thumper" at LB... pretty much what the Buck's job is (after signal calling).

                        In all fairness, though, Farrior wasn't a natural Buck, but, that worked out... Timmons can make it happen.
                        I think Timmons will be fine... I just wish we would stop moving guys out of their position once they seem to have it figured out.
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                        • Shawn
                          Legend
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 15131

                          #13
                          Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                          I've argued for several years we needed a "thumper" at LB... pretty much what the Buck's job is (after signal calling).

                          In all fairness, though, Farrior wasn't a natural Buck, but, that worked out... Timmons can make it happen.
                          I actually agree with you. The problem is in a pass first, no huddle, flag football league you need LBrs who can cover. Most thumpers are a liability in coverage. With that said, if you can find the right guy...a 260 lb ILB with some real quicks and strength...you snatch him up.
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                          • SteelerOfDeVille
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 9069

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Shawn
                            I actually agree with you. The problem is in a pass first, no huddle, flag football league you need LBrs who can cover. Most thumpers are a liability in coverage. With that said, if you can find the right guy...a 260 lb ILB with some real quicks and strength...you snatch him up.
                            If the offense can have "sets", i'm just not sure why the defense doesn't have more situational players. Would it be bad to essentially have 3 starting ILBs, but, with varying skill sets?

                            A true (but, slow) mid-round thumper to accompany Timmons and Shazier... Maybe Vince is that guy.... But, if it's 3rd and short, you play the thumper and Timmons. If it's 3rd and long, you play Timmons and Shaz... if it's the end of the game, the team is trailing and trying to get the ball back while the other team is trying to run the clock? Call me crazy, but, i think it could work...
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                            • RuthlessBurgher
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 33208

                              #15
                              Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                              If the offense can have "sets", i'm just not sure why the defense doesn't have more situational players. Would it be bad to essentially have 3 starting ILBs, but, with varying skill sets?

                              A true (but, slow) mid-round thumper to accompany Timmons and Shazier... Maybe Vince is that guy.... But, if it's 3rd and short, you play the thumper and Timmons. If it's 3rd and long, you play Timmons and Shaz... if it's the end of the game, the team is trailing and trying to get the ball back while the other team is trying to run the clock? Call me crazy, but, i think it could work...
                              If you have guys that are that specialized...excellent in one area but poor in others, offenses can run hurry-up, no-huddle when you happen to have the wrong guy on the field, then just pick on his deficiences and you can't substitute him out.
                              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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