A JJ supporter who must admit concern

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There you go again thinking you have to get bigger to get stronger. Strength is a skill, getting your muscles full of creatine and fluids makes you bulky but you can 100% get stronger by increasing the frequency of firing muscles when training, but improving technique, and focusing much more on coordination. Ask mma fighters if you need more, I am not a science teacher. You'd be satisfied if he took cell tech for a few months and added 15 pounds of water because hey at least he'd look bigger right?

Polamalu has a video of him training plyometrics. It looks fluffy to me, but it's WIDELY used to gain strength and increase explosiveness by pro athletes, fighters, Olympians without gaining weight.

Get past that he couldn't move Jason ****ing peters and quit being so closed minded. You get fixated on one thing and repeat it 100 times

You obviously have no experience in weight lifting. You've never loaded six plates on bench in your life.

[K Train]

You obviously have no experience in weight lifting. You've never loaded six plates on bench in your life.

LOL

didnt i say it was fluffy to me? I wouldnt do plyometrics, why would i? So i can work on my explosiveness to work in excel all day?

I, probably like you, would rather get chest and biceps big by weight training.....thats not how football works, you are delusional if you think it is. 20 reps at the combine would put jones at about 360 max on the bench...thats pretty good, since that seems to be about the oly number you care about rather than functional strength, which is literally all that matters in football, ask jared allen and his 13 reps.

I just took you to school my man, if that was the best response you could conjour up then typing this out is wasting my time because you can only educate people who want to learn

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LOL

didnt i say it was fluffy to me? I wouldnt do plyometrics, why would i? So i can work on my explosiveness to work in excel all day?

I, probably like you, would rather get chest and biceps big by weight training.....thats not how football works, you are delusional if you think it is. 20 reps at the combine would put jones at about 360 max on the bench...thats pretty good, since that seems to be about the oly number you care about rather than functional strength, which is literally all that matters in football, ask jared allen and his 13 reps.

I just took you to school my man, if that was the best response you could conjour up then typing this out is wasting my time because you can only educate people who want to learn

I could bury you on this stuff, but it's not even worth the bother. Have you been inside the Steelers' weight room and met with the strength coach? I didn't think so.

[K Train]

I could bury you on this stuff, but it's not even worth the bother. Have you been inside the Steelers' weight room and met with the strength coach? I didn't think so.

LOL. Convincing as always

[feltdizz]

He mauled that guy. I just dont see the hate.

The hate is because we didn't pick their guy...

[hawaiiansteel]

Steelers linebacker Jarvis Jones cannot be deemed a bust after one season

By Jeff.Hartman on Aug 28 2014



The Pittsburgh Steelers first round pick in 2013 struggled through his rookie season, but that doesn't mean that the outside linebacker should be considered a bust after one season.

There is a lot of pressure placed on a first round pick. Some flourish under that pressure while others crumble. The jury is still out on Pittsburgh Steelers' 2013 first round draft pick Jarvis Jones and his ability to handle such pressure, but at such an early stage in his career, fans should be a bit more patient with the second year pro.

Jones ventured into rarefied air last season when he started nearly the entire season as a rookie in the complex Dick LeBeau 3-4 scheme, something that is rarely every done. On top of being thrust into the starting position, Jones had the expectations of his predecessor, James Harrison, hanging over him like a storm cloud.

Those comparisons are entirely unfair, but if you insist and want to compare Jones entering his second season to some of the great Pittsburgh Steelers linebackers of the 2000s, well lets see how he adds up in the category fans worry most about - sacks.

Joey Porter's rookie season he collected 2 sacks. Count them carefully, 2 sacks. It was Porter's second season that saw his production sky rocket to 10.5. Jason Gildon recorded 2 sacks as well as a first year pro, and followed it with a 3 sack second year, yet Gildon's career only got better with more experience. James Harrison was cut several times, but when he finally started seeing the field, he recorded 1 sack. The following year was 3 sacks. Lastly, LaMarr Woodley recorded 4 sacks as a rookie and 11.5 in his second season.

I realize there are a lot of factors that tie into these equations. For instance, James Harrison's time on the field was limited due to the players ahead of him on the depth chart, but look closely and you can see that Jarvis Jones shouldn't be given up on, not yet at least.

Jones is having to learn a new way to play football. Forget a more complex scheme, he is essentially having to teach himself the game of football all over again. That can take time. I have a feeling that although fans are never patient enough for development in a "what have you done for me lately league", the Steelers organization will be patient.

Their patience will pay off if Jones follows the same trend as his predecessors and elevates his game this year and for years to come.

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Not saying he is an official bust, but I don't like the direction. Just look how smooth and unmuscular those arms are. Peters destroyed him. It wasn't even close.

[flippy]

It's still wait and see with JJ. But so far he's done very little to impress or show that he belongs.

I think it's fair at this point to call him smallish, weak at the point of attack, and slow. But I give him credit for being a hustler and think he shows great effort.

At this point we just have to hope he keeps working hard to improve and as he gets the mental part of the game, his hustle will begin to overcompensate for his other weaknesses.

I think expectations play a big role in how we look at different players. JJ was handed a starting job while we've seen others with loads of potential sit in the wings and wait to play. JJ should have been a backup for a bit based on all we've seen thus far. But we didn't have that luxury. Oh well.

Hope we see a big step forward this season.

[K Train]

It's still wait and see with JJ. But so far he's done very little to impress or show that he belongs.

I think it's fair at this point to call him smallish, weak at the point of attack, and slow. But I give him credit for being a hustler and think he shows great effort.

At this point we just have to hope he keeps working hard to improve and as he gets the mental part of the game, his hustle will begin to overcompensate for his other weaknesses.

I think expectations play a big role in how we look at different players. JJ was handed a starting job while we've seen others with loads of potential sit in the wings and wait to play. JJ should have been a backup for a bit based on all we've seen thus far. But we didn't have that luxury. Oh well.

Hope we see a big step forward this season.

In regards to him being weak at the point of attack. He set the edge quite well as a rookie, and did show flashes of disengaing blockers and maneuvering through traffic despite his piss poor technique.

Encouraging to me at least.

[SteelCrazy]

There are LT's in the league that cannot be defeated easily and Peters is one of them. Jones losing moet battles against him doesn't concern me at all.

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There are LT's in the league that cannot be defeated easily and Peters is one of them. Jones losing moet battles against him doesn't concern me at all.

A top 15 OLB pick shouldn't be completely dominated by anyone, I wouldn't think. I fully expected to see him "get on the vitamins" hit the weights hard and be a different player this season. That didn't happen. And he's a full 20 lbs heavier than Greg Lloyd was, who could still "bring it" on the pass rush. If our ROLB is this ineffective, we will remain nothing better than a "so so" team who usually misses the play offs. In our LuBaea system, the OLBs, especially on the right side, has to really cause disruptions, or this D simply will be FAIL. Right now, that's what it's looking like.

[K Train]

A top 15 OLB pick shouldn't be completely dominated by anyone, I wouldn't think. I fully expected to see him "get on the vitamins" hit the weights hard and be a different player this season. That didn't happen. And he's a full 20 lbs heavier than Greg Lloyd was, who could still "bring it" on the pass rush. If our ROLB is this ineffective, we will remain nothing better than a "so so" team who usually misses the play offs. In our LuBaea system, the OLBs, especially on the right side, has to really cause disruptions, or this D simply will be FAIL. Right now, that's what it's looking like.

Let me guess, "heres hoping im wrong"

Rookie linebackers struggle all the time no matter when they get picked...ask, idk, all of them.

Trollololololol

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Let me guess, "heres hoping im wrong"

Rookie linebackers struggle all the time no matter when they get picked...ask, idk, all of them.

Trollololololol

Hey bed pan, JJ ain't a rookie, in case you missed that part. Shazier is a rookie. Get it straight or stop posting. It's annoying dealing with your extreme ignorance.

[K Train]

Hey bed pan, JJ ain't a rookie, in case you missed that part. Shazier is a rookie. Get it straight or stop posting. It's annoying dealing with your extreme ignorance.

LOL

Where did i say he was a rookie and shazier was not?

[K Train]

Jarvis missed a tackle on a screen tonight but other than that he's having a very good game.

Shazier with some ugly tackling. Blehhhh